this is a must read -- great post to expand your thinking

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i read tons of blogs a day ... even blogs for teams i really dont care for: UF, ND, GaTech, WVU, Uga, Ucla, Texas, USC just to name a few.


this is the best post that i think i have ever read on a blog (coming from a ND fan) about the media backlash served towards ND this year. I feel for them... I do. What we have to go through pales in comparison to the extreme hatred shown toward ND this year. If you guys think you can read it maturely without getting up in hissy fits, then please enjoy:

The Blue-Gray Sky: December 2006
 
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Sorry, I tried. But when I got to this...
No, where I think the anti-ND bias was really evident was in the media's coverage of the Heisman campaign. Pundits engaged in a lot of purposive data-mining to criticize Quinn, while failing to mention glaring issues with other candidates.
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the echo of posts past around here, drummed me all the way out of there....
 
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Here's one of the parts that got me.

But what really gets me is the venom directed at Quinn. In a field of candidates that included an admitted NCAA rules violator and convicted criminal (Smith) and someone who put FnDC -- Fightin' 'n Da Club -- before his team (McFadden), many commentators acted like Quinn was the *******, an overrated impostor who scammed his way into the conversation by virtue of his good looks and the ineluctable star power of the Notre Dame brand.
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A bit ironic that he speaks of venom directed at Quinn then immediately trashes the character of Smith and McFadden.

ND is still in a BCS game with no wins against big teams. Some bias.
 
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volinbham said:
Here's one of the parts that got me.



A bit ironic that he speaks of venom directed at Quinn then immediately trashes the character of Smith and McFadden.

ND is still in a BCS game with no wins against big teams. Some bias.
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There is more than one Delusionville :salute:
 
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1.) who deserves to be in the BCS over ND? Give me a list of elligible teams that should be in ND's spot.

2.) Brady Quinn has done nothing to be victimized. He has never had a blemish on his record. Quinn is a good kid -- I respect him like I respect Manning. Quinn, to me, is like the 2nd coming of Manning: incredible player with excellent skills and work ethic and intelligence that is charismatic and has a set of morals

3.) Smith has a criminal record and accepted money from a booster. McFadden broke his toe in a club fight. He is not trashing them... he is recounting the truth of their pasts. He is simply comparing the three guys to each other.
 
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I'm trying to figure out what the heck being a good person has to do with winning the Heisman???

If thats the case, give it to the MVP of the Ivy League.
 
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njuneardave said:
1.) who deserves to be in the BCS over ND? Give me a list of elligible teams that should be in ND's spot.

2.) Brady Quinn has done nothing to be victimized. He has never had a blemish on his record. Quinn is a good kid -- I respect him like I respect Manning. Quinn, to me, is like the 2nd coming of Manning: incredible player with excellent skills and work ethic and intelligence that is charismatic and has a set of morals

3.) Smith has a criminal record and accepted money from a booster. McFadden broke his toe in a club fight. He is not trashing them... he is recounting the truth of their pasts. He is simply comparing the three guys to each other.
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Whatever J.J. Redick was much more maligned then Quinn and he still came down with a player of the year award.
 
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Notre Dame hasn't even earned the right to be in a BCS bowl. The bias, in my opinion is in their favor.
 
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njuneardave said:
1.) who deserves to be in the BCS over ND? Give me a list of elligible teams that should be in ND's spot.

2.) Brady Quinn has done nothing to be victimized. He has never had a blemish on his record. Quinn is a good kid -- I respect him like I respect Manning. Quinn, to me, is like the 2nd coming of Manning: incredible player with excellent skills and work ethic and intelligence that is charismatic and has a set of morals

3.) Smith has a criminal record and accepted money from a booster. McFadden broke his toe in a club fight. He is not trashing them... he is recounting the truth of their pasts. He is simply comparing the three guys to each other.
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1. I think there are at least 20 teams that would have gone through ND's schedule with the same record.2. Manning played well for 4 years. Quinn did it for 2.3. Smith came from a different background. Pretty much every kid that came from the ghetto like he did is going to get in some trouble. I think his story is somewhat uplifting. I'll change my mind if he gets in trouble again, but I don't think he will. As for McFadden, I believe his fight was the result of someone trying to steal his car.
 
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wow, guys. as a vol fan, you are all very disappointing to me. please, for one minute, lay aside your own bias and read the article and assess the situation for what it is.

he states that quinn shouldn't have won the Heisman... THE ARTICLE ISNT EVEN ABOUT THE HEISMAN! the article is addressing the unwarranted attacks on Quinn when the guy hasn't done anything to deserve them. Please read the article before you comment. It has nothing to do with the Heisman.


Give me a list of teams that deserve a BCS bowl over ND, please.
 
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volinbham said:
Here's one of the parts that got me.



A bit ironic that he speaks of venom directed at Quinn then immediately trashes the character of Smith and McFadden.

ND is still in a BCS game with no wins against big teams. Some bias.
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Here, here!!:thumbsup:
 
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kptvol said:
1. I think there are at least 20 teams that would have gone through ND's schedule with the same record.2. Manning played well for 4 years. Quinn did it for 2.3. Smith came from a different background. Pretty much every kid that came from the ghetto like he did is going to get in some trouble. I think his story is somewhat uplifting. I'll change my mind if he gets in trouble again, but I don't think he will. As for McFadden, I believe his fight was the result of someone trying to steal his car.
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I'm not comparing Quinn to Manning.... wow people, please read what I type. I said I think Quinn is the second coming b/c of his skillset and his personality. I'm not comparing their performance... even though Quinn did break some of Manning's records.

Secondly, the article is SIMPLY QUESTIONING WHY PEOPLE KNOCK ON QUINN like he is some sort of villain. I want to know the same thing. What has Brady done to deserve this?

20 teams? List the teams... with their records that are elligible... that deserve to play over ND
 
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Pure whining and venting out through a blog on the internet. Gotta love technology. I also seen shades of Peyton in his writings. He may not have thought Quinn should have won but he sure didn't waste any time bashing the other players.

That article was a waste of 5 minutes to read that I'll never get back.
 
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Look, this media is for us/against us crap is just that crap.

ND wouldn't have near the # of heismans it does if it weren't for media love.

They wouldn't have the sweetheart BCS deal if it weren't for media love.

They wouldn't have insane TV revenues to plow back into the program if it weren't for media love.

BQ would be just another good QB if it weren't for media love.

The list goes on and on.

To hear the recipients of arguably more media love than any other program in the history of college football complain that the media is against them is just pathetic IMHO.
 
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I think Auburn and Wisconsin can make an argument for the BCS . . .

And I don't think that people bang on Brady Quinn as much as the ND crowd is just indignant.

I find it funny that the blogger accuses the SEC fans of provincialism when the ND crowd has the most narrow view of all. How in his right mind can anyone complain about media bias AGAINST ND? That's plain nuts.
 
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njuneardave said:
I'm not comparing Quinn to Manning.... wow people, please read what I type. I said I think Quinn is the second coming b/c of his skillset and his personality. I'm not comparing their performance... even though Quinn did break some of Manning's records.
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Why don't you read what you type? You clearly compared Quinn to Manning.
 
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njuneardave said:
wow, guys. as a vol fan, you are all very disappointing to me. please, for one minute, lay aside your own bias and read the article and assess the situation for what it is.

he states that quinn shouldn't have won the Heisman... THE ARTICLE ISNT EVEN ABOUT THE HEISMAN! the article is addressing the unwarranted attacks on Quinn when the guy hasn't done anything to deserve them. Please read the article before you comment. It has nothing to do with the Heisman.


Give me a list of teams that deserve a BCS bowl over ND, please.
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For starters,

Auburn
Arkansas
Tennessee
Wisconsin(I realize they're ineligible, just making a point.)
Texas
Rutgers
West Virginia

That's a start. All of those teams have comparable records to the Irish and all of them have actually beaten a decent team.
 
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Only 2 teams from each conference are allowed to go to the BCS bowls.

Ohio State and Michigan from Big-10 -- effectively eliminating Wisconsin.

Florida and LSU -- effectively eliminating Auburn. Auburn, by the way, lost badly to Arkansas and Georgia. Unranked Georgia. Notre Dame lost badly to two teams in the top 10. Notre Dame is more deserving than Auburn.

Any other teams?
 
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njuneardave said:
I'm not comparing Quinn to Manning.... wow people, please read what I type. I said I think Quinn is the second coming b/c of his skillset and his personality. I'm not comparing their performance... even though Quinn did break some of Manning's records.

Secondly, the article is SIMPLY QUESTIONING WHY PEOPLE KNOCK ON QUINN like he is some sort of villain. I want to know the same thing. What has Brady done to deserve this?

20 teams? List the teams... with their records that are elligible... that deserve to play over ND
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The point is that people aren't bashing Quinn like he's a villian. He was stood up as a Heisman front runner. ND fans passionately support him. To argue why he shouldn't have won gets interpreted as bashing. The writer of the blog took selective statements to build his point. His point is as biased as any he claims.

I would argue that WV should go ahead of ND. I might argue that VT could as well. Due to BS BCS rules, we can't have Auburn or Wisconsin but both are far more deserving. Further, I think if ND is in the BCS they should be in the 2nd to lowest ranked spot (with Boise St.). OU is more deserving of a game against LSU than is ND.
 
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