this is the worst offensive team in program history

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darkgable said:
Complaining about a team that has 2 loses and beat Vandy on their home floor is unwarranted. 2 loses is not and never has been a slow downward spiral and never will be. They won.
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I think most are happy with the Vandy win, at least I am, however, there is a lot of concern over the offense. It was defense that won that game. We do not want to get in a shoot out, at least not at this time. I believe Holly is concerned over the offense, or at least she should be. I believe that a lot of that concern is promoted by the fact that the top five teams are playing good defense and offense with few issues. Good or bad we would all like to see the Lady Vols in the final 4 or even the final 2. Maybe it's Pat's fault for spoiling us for so many years:eek:lol: or just maybe we expect too much. :banghead2:
 
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Darth_Vol said:
We're far enough into the season to make it official, and it isn't improving. Absolutely no identity on offense. The players have no clue, because their coach has no clue.

How many teams haven't shot over 50% at least once in a game this season?
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:eek:lol: Wow...did Holly turn you down? :)
Don't understand the hate. :no:
I guess sometimes there's just not enough rocks. :crazy:

GO VOLS!
 
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Most of the players on the team have been 40 percent career shooters since high school. No reason to think they will suddenly take off and shoot 50 percent or even 45. Dunbar was about a 50 percent shooter in high school, 35 percent from the three. I am glad to see they are playing very good defense. The problem is when you play great defense you must also win the turnover battle and rebound at least even. Vandy stayed close because we were turning it over to much . If we commit 10 turnovers instead of 20 this is a 15 point win or better.
 
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Tenacguy50 said:
What's going to happen, imo is, The Lady Vols are going to continue to slide slowly downward. Then when it's too late, a new head coach will be brought in. I hope I'm totally wrong here, but since Holly has taken over, the Lady Vols just aren't the same. I don't care how good defensively they are, the better teams are going to kill the Lady Vols. Lady Vols will not be playing for a national championship anytime soon. Not a nega vol, just calling it like I see it.
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Yeah...you're wrong. :whistling:

GO VOLS!
 
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#30
Point in case Holly does care about offense.
Second half adjustments vs. Mizzo:

We couldn't hit a barn door standing next to it. What offensive adjustments did CHW make in the 2nd half? She went to a 4 box low motion, guards curling the screen, Burdick and Carter started scoring on 3 footers.

If CHW didn't care, I don't think we would of seen any adjustments.
 
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Fail post, when you are ranked in the Top 10, and Holly has every right to put her stamp on these teams, I would not complain.......OMG! its like if your not #1 you must be doing something wrong. Darth you need to chill.........its not how the W was obtained, only that a W was achieved..........Go Lady Vols!!!
 
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Orange Maniac said:
There is something to the fixation on Harrison. I watched after one particularly rough play against Izzy that the ref Grinter ran down the court beside Izzy all the way while looking at her the whole time. Izzy didn't react but it looked like Grinter was just hoping Izzy would react. I don't recall ever seeing something like that from a ref when a player never reacted initially. Last night was like "we are going to teach her a lesson". There is no excuse for what went on last night.
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I agree. Glory Johnson got the same treatment though. I don't know what it is about LV post players that seems to get on ref's bad sides.
 
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Most top tier programs have post players that will outweigh Izzy. She's no doubt athletic enough and has post player moves. She's just a bit light for the position in my opinion. She kinda gets thrown around. She has to fight harder than the larger post players and it makes it look like she's fouling.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
There is something to the fixation on Harrison. I watched after one particularly rough play against Izzy that the ref Grinter ran down the court beside Izzy all the way while looking at her the whole time. Izzy didn't react but it looked like Grinter was just hoping Izzy would react. I don't recall ever seeing something like that from a ref when a player never reacted initially. Last night was like "we are going to teach her a lesson". There is no excuse for what went on last night.
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You are correct,OM,in your assessment of last night's officiating. They quite obviously set out to make an example of Izzy. She did a better job of keeping her cool under adverse circumstances,but was visibly frustrated. As an earlier poster said,Glory Johnson went through this same scenario. What bothers me greatly in these instances is the passiveness of Holly Warlick. She can't,of course,change any calls that are made,but she can certainly give game officials an earful of what they are doing wrong. Doing so would enhance her standing with her players in that she will stand up for them. I'm afraid that if she continues to passively accept these type things,the team as a whole will take on that mentality. Hopefully,when grading these officials to the SEC,Holly will at least let higher officials hear from her about these things.
 
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madtownvol said:
I agree. Glory Johnson got the same treatment though. I don't know what it is about LV post players that seems to get on ref's bad sides.
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Glory was pretty rough her freshman year, made some dumb fouls, and got a "name". Her Soph and Jr seasons the refs let her be fair game for any dirty or rough play. Her senior year they let up a little on her and made some calls. I was always relieved when a game ended and she wasn't under medical care or out for the season. She took a lot of unnecessary (bad reffing) punishment.
 
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I recall when Pat was coaching the players would smile when a foul was called on them. Perhaps they should go back to that.
 
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teacherdean said:
As Vol fans we have to realize that what worked for Pat may not work today. The top teams strive to play good ball on both defense and offense. Pat was, in my mind, the best women's coach ever, however, just like we no longer use peach baskets as goals, we need to move in another direction. Now if we can play good defense, as we are, and hold everyone below 40% we have a legit shot, however, that would be a miracle. I need a historian, did Pat ever have a team that shot less than 40% and won an NC? I know they seemed to always be good on defense.
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Don't really agree with that at all. Great defense can stop anybody. The problem is UConn plays great defense. That is the secret to their success and it feeds their offense. It is not the other way around. If we played defense like UCONN did we could compete with them.
 
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Sandvol said:
Don't really agree with that at all. Great defense can stop anybody. The problem is UConn plays great defense. That is the secret to their success and it feeds their offense. It is not the other way around. If we played defense like UCONN did we could compete with them.
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I second your point. Unquestionably the team will need to shoot better from the field when they get into the NCAA tournament's later rounds but, I think their ticket to the Final 4 is their defensive intensity, hustle, and overall scrappiness.

It is a been a long Final Four drought and getting back to that level would be a huge step in the right direction. It is unlikely they can beat UConn for an NC but I think their chances would be better if they come into the game (should it arise) with a mindset of playing lock down defense.
 
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I love the K***A** attitude the girls have developed. That game with Vandy was more of a brawl than a game. The girls had to be on the defensive or they would have been killed. That big tackle Vandy had playing post was slinging our girls around like rag dolls and here is petite little Izzy being called for tricky tacky fouls. It was no doubt that part of Vandy's game plan came straight out of the UFC playbook. I think Izzy and the girls had better buckle up because this is not the last they will have to protect themselves. Izzy needs to settle down and try to stay in the game because there is a big red X on her back and it is not going away.
 
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teacherdean said:
I love the K***A** attitude the girls have developed. That game with Vandy was more of a brawl than a game. The girls had to be on the defensive or they would have been killed. That big tackle Vandy had playing post was slinging our girls around like rag dolls and here is petite little Izzy being called for tricky tacky fouls. It was no doubt that part of Vandy's game plan came straight out of the UFC playbook. I think Izzy and the girls had better buckle up because this is not the last they will have to protect themselves. Izzy needs to settle down and try to stay in the game because there is a big red X on her back and it is not going away.
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#43
Great teams have great defense and great Offense. I may be wrong but I don't remember many champions that had only one.
 
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I won't put all the blame on Holly. Yes, the offense has been unbearable, but as a player you have to take it upon yourself to get open. How hard is it to cut and set screens? This team is just standing on the court waiting for someone else to take the shot. With Simmons you could do that, but with this team now they can't do that. They'll take the shot clock down to single digits and the end result will be a turnover. We really are missing Jas defensively and offensively. We're missing her ability to get inside the zone and beleive it or not she actually move on offense. She's our best shut down defender even better than Carter.
 
#45
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We will score eventually. Reynolds and Carter are picking up the slack while Izzy is in a slump. When they put it together it will be fun to watch!! For now Defense Defense!!!
 
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Sandvol said:
Don't really agree with that at all. Great defense can stop anybody. The problem is UConn plays great defense. That is the secret to their success and it feeds their offense. It is not the other way around. If we played defense like UCONN did we could compete with them.
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We have played defense as well or better than UConn plenty of years. Defense is NOT the secret of UConn's success--it is one of TWO components of their success. The other component is their offense. Defense does not feed their offense any more than it does all teams. UConn is simply good at both ends of the floor: they play good defense AND they are excellent offensively. They move and pass the ball MUCH, MUCH better than UT does--and this has been true EVERY YEAR since GENO has coached that team. That is why they beat us in the title game when Taurasi was a senior playing with a group of young players and we had a veteran team. I suspect that UT this year is probably a little BETTER defensively than UConn. Does that mean we'd beat UConn. No, because they are much better than we are offensively. Their ability to solve our defense would exceed our ability to solve theirs. They are GOOD offensively--much better than we are, and that has been true for years. For a long time it was mostly that their offensive system was much better; now, it is their system and the fact that they have better offensive talent. Geno teaches them to play strong defense without destroying their offensive games and their offensive confidence, as Summitt and Warlick did/do--that is the difference.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Fail post, when you are ranked in the Top 10, and Holly has every right to put her stamp on these teams, I would not complain.......OMG! its like if your not #1 you must be doing something wrong. Darth you need to chill.........its not how the W was obtained, only that a W was achieved..........Go Lady Vols!!!
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That type of attitude is why UT will be a sweet sixteen darling for years to come. Good coaches try to isolate problems with their team's play regardless whether they win or lose.

For example, UCONN was up 23 at the half against East Carolina and Geno said it was one of the worst halves of UCONN WBB in his 30 years there. Score was irrelevant because his team wasn't playing the way he thought they should.

Holly needs to make a list of goals for her team. Then develop a program to meet those goals. The wins will come. The season can be used as a tune-up for the NCAA if you will. If she can't handle all the duties, get some assistants and grad students that can. Winning is fine but a team needs to progress during the season. They started the season averaging 92 points a game for the first four games against weak teams. The last six games they have averaged 60 points per game against relatively stronger competition. A coach should be working on a problem like that. And if wins is all you want, then enjoy the rest of the season.
 
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reno tony said:
That type of attitude is why UT will be a sweet sixteen darling for years to come. Good coaches try to isolate problems with their team's play regardless whether they win or lose.

For example, UCONN was up 23 at the half against East Carolina and Geno said it was one of the worst halves of UCONN WBB in his 30 years there. Score was irrelevant because his team wasn't playing the way he thought they should.

Holly needs to make a list of goals for her team. Then develop a program to meet those goals. The wins will come. The season can be used as a tune-up for the NCAA if you will. If she can't handle all the duties, get some assistants and grad students that can. Winning is fine but a team needs to progress during the season. They started the season averaging 92 points a game for the first four games against weak teams. The last six games they have averaged 60 points per game against relatively stronger competition. A coach should be working on a problem like that. And if wins is all you want, then enjoy the rest of the season.
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Dude, you realize that this post was not written by Holly but a fan poster, right? And just because someone on a LV board says "chill out, we won the game" (a reasonable fan position I might add), that does not mean that Holly Warlick is adopting that same attitude. In fact, Holly has not been shy about pointing out the team's shortcomings.

Why if I did not know better, I would think you are a trolling UCONN fan looking for an excuse to pimp Geno A. on a LV fan site. Hey wait a minute...
 
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I am just waiting to see....the reason IMO is Chemistry. We will see but I mentioned the other day that they were painful to watch.
 
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