this is the worst offensive team in program history

#51
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Darth_Vol said:
We're far enough into the season to make it official, and it isn't improving. Absolutely no identity on offense. The players have no clue, because their coach has no clue.

How many teams haven't shot over 50% at least once in a game this season?
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I will agree you are 100% correct
 
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teacherdean said:
Will defense keep us at our current lofty position? If we can keep everyone under 40% shooting and we continue to shoot under 40% we have a good shot at running the table and making it to the NC. I am proud of our current position but there is still a lot of improvement that needs to take place.
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Let get real there is not a fat chance of this team knocking off or staying in the games, Against the top 6 teams right now no way. Think about we have players like Graves who played 36mins against Vandy and scored 2pts 2. the Bottom line is Holly has try and change the way this team should play. and now they have no offense none. I also think she`s scared to play Nared and Alexa more.
 
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I've already expressed that I'm not the biggest Holly supporter but this is getting ridiculous. Though I agree that the Tennessee offense can be painful to watch at times, I'm beginning to wonder who's more at fault, Holly or the players. If they would just knock down a reasonable percentage of their wide open shots, the offense would look a lot better. An ultimately, Holly can't put the ball in the basket for them when they take those open shots.
 
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The loss to UTC was not good but we are still undefeated with Izzy in the line up.
There won't be any undefeated teams this year and we're playing much better than we were earlier in the season. 12-2 under those circumstances with a #7 ranking is nothing to be embarrassed about.
 
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madtownvol said:
Dude, you realize that this post was not written by Holly but a fan poster, right? And just because someone on a LV board says "chill out, we won the game" (a reasonable fan position I might add), that does not mean that Holly Warlick is adopting that same attitude. In fact, Holly has not been shy about pointing out the team's shortcomings.

Why if I did not know better, I would think you are a trolling UCONN fan looking for an excuse to pimp Geno A. on a LV fan site. Hey wait a minute...
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Well, you are obviously more in the know than I am. I just read the forums, watch the games and read articles by the so-called experts. I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of anything she is doing other than by listening to the post game pressers. Is she doing the things a coach needs to do to improve a team with tons of talent but not a lot of offensive prowess? If not, do you think she should be working toward that goal? Would you be happy with this team scoring 60 points a game? Do you think they can beat teams like N.D., USC, UCONN, Texas etc. to get to the final four if they continue to play the way they have? I don't.
 
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reno tony said:
Well, you are obviously more in the know than I am. I just read the forums, watch the games and read articles by the so-called experts. I have absolutely no first hand knowledge of anything she is doing other than by listening to the post game pressers. Is she doing the things a coach needs to do to improve a team with tons of talent but not a lot of offensive prowess? If not, do you think she should be working toward that goal? Would you be happy with this team scoring 60 points a game? Do you think they can beat teams like N.D., USC, UCONN, Texas etc. to get to the final four if they continue to play the way they have? I don't.
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Are you bored with the Boneyard?
 
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madtownvol said:
Where is the I hate cute puppy dogs thread? Seriously, it is hard to have a glorious offensive showing when playing a team like Vandy, which grabs, pushes, shoves with near impunity, while Izzy gets nailed for touch fouls and Graves gets a charging foul when a Vandy player runs underneath her. Or consider the elbow to the face that Burdick got; do you think that would have been a no call, if Izzy had been he culprit?


So, instead of again lamenting about the offense, how about celebrating that this LVs team has become the scrappiest, toughest, and most resilient team in years. I give Holly props for turning a group of players who had been giving lackluster efforts in the early season into a one that hustles and fights for 40 minutes.

I'll give you it ain't pretty but its fun to watch. The LVs re becoming on of those teams that no one wants to play. Carter is now going offensively. We just need Izzy to get back into her groove.
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You made some good points here, however when are we going to get there as you say Carter had one good night and Izzy bless her heart has no help inside and her groove is as good as it is going to get this year!
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
The last two championships we won weren't exactly pretty on the offensive end. But the defense was great.
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was against Rutgers, a big-name program that is very much like us in that they play great defense but have a consistently worse offense than we do! That title game was one of the worst ever in the women's game--but at least we won it. Despite its many good teams, Rutgers has never won a title, and one would think that C. Vivian Stringer would get the idea that she needs more offense--but she apparently doesn't.
 
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volnationnj said:
The loss to UTC was not good but we are still undefeated with Izzy in the line up.
There won't be any undefeated teams this year and we're playing much better than we were earlier in the season. 12-2 under those circumstances with a #7 ranking is nothing to be embarrassed about.
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7th in women's basketball is like 37th in men's basketball. UCONN is still 20-30 points better than UT even if they're only separated by 5 spots in the polls.
 
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SGMVols said:
7th in women's basketball is like 37th in men's basketball. UCONN is still 20-30 points better than UT even if they're only separated by 5 spots in the polls.
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Also, Tennessee started the season ranked in the top 5 so I'm not sure why some are using their current ranking as evidence of Holly's tremendous coaching....
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
UConn scored 91 on Vandy over Thanksgiving weekend. Marquette put up 80 against Vandy 2 weeks ago. Teams are doing it, just not the Vols.
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Yes, but they did not do this in that "barn" of a stadium with those terrible refs that let the Vandy players get away with blooding the faces of the other teams players and other fouls. These were away games for Vandy when they played UConn and Marquette.

I feel the same as a lot of folks on here. I think Holly has made very good strides with the defense, but also needs to stress offence more as well.
 
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reno tony said:
That is your answer to some legitimate questions? Sounds like you are bored with the Volnation. I will refrain from looking for sensible conversation with you in the future.
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I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but sadly you seem to believe that you asked a legitimate question--
that is, "is the coach of the LVs doing all she can to improve the team?"

Well let me ask:

ME: Holly, are you doing everything thing you can to improve the team?

Holly: Nah, that would be too much trouble.

Dang, I guess you are right Reno, Oh curse our fate.

Of course Holly and her staff are working everyday to make this team the best it can be. Your question is far from sensible.

Just because the LVs have been missing some open shots does not mean that the Holly Warlick is saying "La De Da" about the offense or waking up every morning thinking "gee, I sure hope we don't score over 60 pts."

If you are so well read on basketball, you should realize that the team has made a huge leap in its defensive intensity and the effort expended on the defensive end can have some impact on the offense. I fully expect that as time goes on, a better balance will be seen.

Finally, to your question, I should add that Holly is doing all she can to improve the team within the bounds of the NCAA rules. So, I am sure UConn does do things differently.
 
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Sandvol said:
Don't really agree with that at all. Great defense can stop anybody. The problem is UConn plays great defense. That is the secret to their success and it feeds their offense. It is not the other way around. If we played defense like UCONN did we could compete with them.
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Great D can stop any team, but you need somewhat of an offense. Defense and less than 40% shooting will not get the ladies to the final 4. It might but it will be a miracle. Good defense is a key component of any championship team, that is a fact. Genno stresses good defense.
 
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djtee said:
Let get real there is not a fat chance of this team knocking off or staying in the games, Against the top 6 teams right now no way. Think about we have players like Graves who played 36mins against Vandy and scored 2pts 2. the Bottom line is Holly has try and change the way this team should play. and now they have no offense none. I also think she`s scared to play Nared and Alexa more.
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I agree with you 100% because what are the chances we can shoot less than 40% while holding other teams from shooting near 40%? I would love for it to happen but I can't see where it will. It has been a grind watching the Ladies this season, it sure keeps me on the edge of my seat. Nearly every game we seem to take it deep into the second half, and I mean real deep, before I can settle back and relax. However, I hang in there.
 
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teacherdean said:
Great D can stop any team, but you need somewhat of an offense. Defense and less than 40% shooting will not get the ladies to the final 4. It might but it will be a miracle. Good defense is a key component of any championship team, that is a fact. Genno stresses good defense.
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Interestingly enough, the one game during the current win streak where the LVs shot over 40% was against Oregon State and that was the game which seemed most in jeopardy until fairly late.

It would be very helpful to both the team and fans if the LVs start shooting a higher percentage. But as long as they can also keep winning the battle for offensive rebounds, the overall shooting % is not such a crucial factor. So, I think another relevant question is whether the LVs can maintain their edge on the boards against KY, A&M, South Carolina, Notre Dame.
 
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VolEire said:
Yes, but they did not do this in that "barn" of a stadium with those terrible refs that let the Vandy players get away with blooding the faces of the other teams players and other fouls. These were away games for Vandy when they played UConn and Marquette.

I feel the same as a lot of folks on here. I think Holly has made very good strides with the defense, but also needs to stress offence more as well.
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I would like to see what would happen if the refs let a team play Uconn like Misery and Vandy played the Ladys. And I would love to see geno's reaction if Stewie took an elbow to the face, no foul called, and was then sent off the court for bleeding. Only thing is I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone, and Stewie seems like a good young woman as well as exceptional player, so don't any of the Uconn trolls on the site take that statement wrong; I'm not wishing her to be injured. But, oh gosh, I would love to see geno; that big blond asst coach would really have to be holding him back! And I'd be pulling for him to get loose....sausage grinder, gule. Compliments of geno:)
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
I would like to see what would happen if the refs let a team play Uconn like Misery and Vandy played the Ladys. And I would love to see geno's reaction if Stewie took an elbow to the face, no foul called, and was then sent off the court for bleeding. Only thing is I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone, and Stewie seems like a good young woman as well as exceptional player, so don't any of the Uconn trolls on the site take that statement wrong; I'm not wishing her to be injured. But, oh gosh, I would love to see geno; that big blond asst coach would really have to be holding him back! And I'd be pulling for him to get loose....sausage grinder, gule. Compliments of geno:)
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Dang straight! And the announcers response to that issue bugged me mightily as well. In the prior game, Izzy's arms got tangled up with a Mizzou player and she pushed away. Well, the announcers were calling for a flagrant foul. But when the Vandy clocks Cierra with an elbow to the face, well, that is just good hustle. I don't get this huge double standard with Izzy who can get killed by other players with no call while her every action is scrutinized.
 
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madtownvol said:
Dang straight! And the announcers response to that issue bugged me mightily as well. In the prior game, Izzy's arms got tangled up with a Mizzou player and she pushed away. Well, the announcers were calling for a flagrant foul. But when the Vandy clocks Cierra with an elbow to the face, well, that is just good hustle. I don't get this huge double standard with Izzy who can get killed by other players with no call while her every action is scrutinized.
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Those two announcers were so biased I was ready to throw up. We would make a good play and they would keep on talking about how great Vandy was. I still don't see how the "refs" could let that slide without calling a foul...they didn't have to call a flagrant, but good gosh, at least acknowledge the mugging!
 
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volcrazy89 said:
They also had the best player in the country who could void a lot of the trouble we had on offense.
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...our offense immediately deteriorated. It's wonderful to have great players, but you shouldn't need them to put a productivity, competent offense on the floor--not when you've got 10 players who, while not superstars by any stretch, were all top-rated prospects. That's the essential point. Ninety-nine percent of the teams in the country would love to have our talent, and yet we mostly stumble around when we have the ball and miss shots. Warlick believes that we can win with a crap offense if our defense is good enough. I say, win what? Win SEC games? Yea, maybe. Win another title? Uh,no--we haven't even been to the final four in six or seven years. That is a 1985 mentality.
 
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madtownvol said:
Interestingly enough, the one game during the current win streak where the LVs shot over 40% was against Oregon State and that was the game which seemed most in jeopardy until fairly late.

It would be very helpful to both the team and fans if the LVs start shooting a higher percentage. But as long as they can also keep winning the battle for offensive rebounds, the overall shooting % is not such a crucial factor. So, I think another relevant question is whether the LVs can maintain their edge on the boards against KY, A&M, South Carolina, Notre Dame.
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No question, however, shooting % is always crucial unless we can continually hold other teams shooting at a low or lower %.

We have a lot of "if's" that must become a reality if we are to continue our winning ways.
 
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armchair said:
...our offense immediately deteriorated. It's wonderful to have great players, but you shouldn't need them to put a productivity, competent offense on the floor--not when you've got 10 players who, while not superstars by any stretch, were all top-rated prospects. That's the essential point. Ninety-nine percent of the teams in the country would love to have our talent, and yet we mostly stumble around when we have the ball and miss shots. Warlick believes that we can win with a crap offense if our defense is good enough. I say, win what? Win SEC games? Yea, maybe. Win another title? Uh,no--we haven't even been to the final four in six or seven years. That is a 1985 mentality.
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You have to be kidding me placing blame on Holly with "crap offense".....its really getting old armchair,Holly mustve done something personal to you and that DarthVol nuisance because both you all jump at criticizing Holly ALL the time! Its not Holly, its the PLAYERS who miss these WIDE OPEN shots we get from this "crap offense"...at times yes the defense takes away what you're looking for on the offensive end and the play stalls...it happens to EVERYONE...unfortunately everyone else has a "go-to' player to bail them at times....we don't have that yet.
 
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