lostsheep
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Haha. Typical response. Get your MAGA hat on and head on up to DC for the loser’s rally, ND.Thanks for the usual useful commentary
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Haha. Typical response. Get your MAGA hat on and head on up to DC for the loser’s rally, ND.Thanks for the usual useful commentary
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I’ll summarize it in terms of impacts, in most cases it is just an expansion of rights:
right to a job = no need for unemployment insurance; work programs like TVA, ORNL, conservation corpse, etc were the first steps of being able to guarantee people work. It doesn’t mean you are prescribed a job, it just means there is always something to fall back on if you need it
living wage = when combined with a job guarantee this means broadening the tax base and increasing the GDP, if you then also team this with population growth a lot more opportunities open up for our country, more people means everyone gets richer. Welfare can be eliminated, and in turn people who have medical conditions due to malnourishment, poor hygiene, and insufficient living conditions would drop precipitously
A decent home = We have more homes in this country then we do people, so this wouldn’t be hard, and like previous points - if all homes are occupied there is more taxable revenue. Everyone benefits. Homes sitting empty don’t provide the revenue that occupied homes do. This eliminates homelessness and the need for spending on affordable housing which admittedly is currently one of the most exploited and corrupt programs
medical care = Medicare for all, essentially. its no secret that our country is one of the least healthy in the world, which is the main reason we spend so much as compared to other countries- if everyone was covered under Medicare, price gouging could be eliminated and we could save tons of money on healthcare expenditures
Economic protection = essentially we return to companies providing pension plans and continue (as we already currently do) covering employees who can’t work because of accidents or health issues
education = the goalpost has moved here, K-12 used to be enough to guarantee a good paying job, this would just expand to include years 13-17. rather than spending money on interest payments, people could be spending money on better living conditions, which grows taxable income, spending contributes more to the economy instead of private loan companies
He basically described the typical Eurotrash example, France. They are a unitary government with strong social services and ridiculous taxation rates. They have guaranteed unemployment income indefinitely. It’s crazy.When the government "promises' and "creates" rights, they define what a nice house is, livable wage, etc. They can also change the parameters and determine whi gets them, that is scary. The gov should not be in this business
And what you do with poor people who chose not to be involved with this and still are homeless or don’t work or set fire to their government homes etcI’ll summarize it in terms of impacts, in most cases it is just an expansion of rights:
right to a job = no need for unemployment insurance; work programs like TVA, ORNL, conservation corpse, etc were the first steps of being able to guarantee people work. It doesn’t mean you are prescribed a job, it just means there is always something to fall back on if you need it
living wage = when combined with a job guarantee this means broadening the tax base and increasing the GDP, if you then also team this with population growth a lot more opportunities open up for our country, more people means everyone gets richer. Welfare can be eliminated, and in turn people who have medical conditions due to malnourishment, poor hygiene, and insufficient living conditions would drop precipitously
A decent home = We have more homes in this country then we do people, so this wouldn’t be hard, and like previous points - if all homes are occupied there is more taxable revenue. Everyone benefits. Homes sitting empty don’t provide the revenue that occupied homes do. This eliminates homelessness and the need for spending on affordable housing which admittedly is currently one of the most exploited and corrupt programs
medical care = Medicare for all, essentially. its no secret that our country is one of the least healthy in the world, which is the main reason we spend so much as compared to other countries- if everyone was covered under Medicare, price gouging could be eliminated and we could save tons of money on healthcare expenditures
Economic protection = essentially we return to companies providing pension plans and continue (as we already currently do) covering employees who can’t work because of accidents or health issues
education = the goalpost has moved here, K-12 used to be enough to guarantee a good paying job, this would just expand to include years 13-17. rather than spending money on interest payments, people could be spending money on better living conditions, which grows taxable income, spending contributes more to the economy instead of private loan companies
If you’re proposing any of those items be provided for and guaranteed by the government then I’m out. Those resources are there today. Go get them. That’s what I had to do and I didn’t even have a wooden spoon in my mouth when I was born.
Those benefits are available today without wealth redistribution. You literally described France. I’m a hard pass.even with all the economic benefits? Also — aren’t we supposed to hope that future generations have it better than we did? My family was quite poor growing up, which I only realized in retrospect.. it doesn’t mean I think everyone should have to run through the same gauntlet I did
What gauntlet did you run to make it? Probably not much harder than the one I did. So you think people should just be born to achieve success in this country?even with all the economic benefits? Also — aren’t we supposed to hope that future generations have it better than we did? My family was quite poor growing up, which I only realized in retrospect.. it doesn’t mean I think everyone should have to run through the same gauntlet I did
What gauntlet did you run to make it? Probably not much harder than the one I did. So you think people should just be born to achieve success in this country?
No they aren’t. But thanks for owning it even without stating it. You want France. No thanks.
I spent a month in France for business in 1998. After that time I understood exactly why they got their asses ran over twice in the 1900’s