this team has definitely made progress.....

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I agree Wookie, but we do need to beat the Cats first.

Additionally, I think Zach Rogers was a big part of our offense too that we miss.

Should have beat Florida. Vandy we were favored by 2.5, but we get -3 for being at home... so technically, Vegas considered it a toss-up.

I wish we'd have beat Florida. We do need a solid/leader QB.

Palardy has improved tremendously (minus Vandy game)
 
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patrick said:
So no complaints about losing to Vandy in a game we were favored to win??? This brings Sunshine Pumping to new whole new level. But hey you have ever right to your opinion. Have a nice day.
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And judging from your avatar, you take "Gloom and Doom Pumping" to a whole new level, correct?



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patrick said:
So no complaints about losing to Vandy in a game we were favored to win??? This brings Sunshine Pumping to new whole new level. But hey you have ever right to your opinion. Have a nice day.
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Sunshine pumping is a duty during the first year of a new coaching staff, there will be plenty of time later to crush the coaches if they continue to underachieve.:hi:

* It is just a matter of economics and logistics, unless you can provide the countless millions needed to change the situation instantly.
 
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The Dark Days of UT football are actually now.

A Majors-coached team was not as miserable to watch. They played with more heart, pride and determination than the teams of the past four years. Majors was a UT alumnus and former player, as well as an experienced coach who had just won a National Championship. He had better credentials than CBJ and fans had more confidence that he would bring us back. The jury is still out on CBJ, who doesn't come into the job with the same cred.
 
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1 is pretty much indisputable and is a clear demonstration of the fact the Cheek is still running the show and will not free up the money to buy out of these presently unwinnable games. The same thing is going to happen next year with Oklahoma and I cannot fathom why they have not cancelled that one other that maybe they're waiting until signing day so it won't be used as some sort of negative recruiting point.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
1 is pretty much indisputable and is a clear demonstration of the fact the Cheek is still running the show and will not free up the money to buy out of these presently unwinnable games. The same thing is going to happen next year with Oklahoma and I cannot fathom why they have not cancelled that one other that maybe they're waiting until signing day so it won't be used as some sort of negative recruiting point.
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Come on man, you known we can oveachieve~!!!!!!!!:rock:
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
1 is pretty much indisputable and is a clear demonstration of the fact the Cheek is still running the show and will not free up the money to buy out of these presently unwinnable games. The same thing is going to happen next year with Oklahoma and I cannot fathom why they have not cancelled that one other that maybe they're waiting until signing day so it won't be used as some sort of negative recruiting point.
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Were not scared of Oklahoma. I understand weve been down lately, but were still Tennessee, and were not buying out of a game with Oklahoma. cmon man
 
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johndoevol said:
Come on man, you known we can oveachieve~!!!!!!!!:rock:
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It's just goofy. A big part of the reason the the Dores started going to bowl games is that Bobby Johnson said hell no to playing Notre Dame, OSU and their like. We got our hands full in conference. No reason to make it harder.
 
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Comparing this team to last year is meaningless. Players and coaches had already given up. Dooley was a lame duck. The best players were playing to preserve draft status. All assistants knew by no later than game six they were going to be unemployed soon.

The better comparison is when Dooley was full of hope and energy in 2010.

That team... with less talent and similar challenges performed better than this team.
 
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sjt18 said:
Comparing this team to last year is meaningless. Players and coaches had already given up. Dooley was a lame duck. The best players were playing to preserve draft status. All assistants knew by no later than game six they were going to be unemployed soon.

The better comparison is when Dooley was full of hope and energy in 2010.

That team... with less talent and similar challenges performed better than this team.
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Preposterous on coaches. No coach that plans on achieving anything in his career quits just because he is losing his job. In fact, he should work his ass of knowing he needs another gig and to separate himself from the mess that just got fired.

There is no "last game." you're constantly getting judged on your career.
 
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allvol123 said:
Preposterous on coaches. No coach that plans on achieving anything in his career quits just because he is losing his job.
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Dooley and his staff did. You could tell distinctly when they quit recruiting. They had already lost the team... he probably never won them back from the UK loss.

In fact, he should work his ass of knowing he needs another gig and to separate himself from the mess that just got fired.
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I would agree... but that's not what we saw. The coaches had no enthusiasm. They were just going through the motions. The players were flapping in the breeze. There was no "team" left... just a bunch of individuals.

There is no "last game." you're constantly getting judged on your career.
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If you are connected, someone will give you a fresh start because many people have "been there" in their careers. I think most or all of those coaches took some sort of step backwards except for possibly Chaney.
 
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RockyTop22 said:
Ill probably get killed for this, and I know this is in no way possible, just having some fun and speculating. What are VN's thoughts on starting completely fresh starting with the current freshman as well as the incoming class of 2014, keeping a few VFLs that played hard through the Dooley days. For example, Pig, Marlin, some of the OL that hasnt played yet (for depth), Maggit, and Randolph, etc would stay.

Personally, I just believe Dooley contaminated our current players to the point of no return, and they just frankly do not know how to win. The only player who stepped up and made BIG plays when we needed to and got the win was Marquez, a freshman. (Worley as well, but he didnt make the greatest throw in the world as it took a circus catch to reel in) I just feel as if these current players that played under Dooley dont have the fight and will to pull out a close game, and we can use a fresh start, as these have been the worst five years in UT Football history.
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Wasn't Jones brought in to teach the players who are here how to win?

I have never bought into this "give him four years to recruit his players" theory.

A good coach will get through to the players whether he recruited them or not.

Inherited or not, these aren't Dooley's players anymore, they belong to Jones.
 
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sjt18 said:
Dooley and his staff did. You could tell distinctly when they quit recruiting. They had already lost the team... he probably never won them back from the UK loss.

I would agree... but that's not what we saw. The coaches had no enthusiasm. They were just going through the motions. The players were flapping in the breeze. There was no "team" left... just a bunch of individuals.



If you are connected, someone will give you a fresh start because many people have "been there" in their careers. I think most or all of those coaches took some sort of step backwards except for possibly Chaney.
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I don't buy it as a whole. Just like my profession or any other, you get left behind if you think you can just take some time off and float for awhile just because your ship is going down.

They could stop recruiting but stopping your effort to improve your unit is absurdly stupid if you choose that route. You can't just count on connections, not if you understand your record follows you around forever.
 
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allvol123 said:
I don't buy it as a whole. Just like my profession or any other, you get left behind if you think you can just take some time off and float for awhile just because your ship is going down.

They could stop recruiting but stopping your effort to improve your unit is absurdly stupid if you choose that route. You can't just count on connections, not if you understand your record follows you around forever.
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Didn't say it was smart... and I probably shouldn't have lumped Chaney and some of the asst's in with Dooley and Sunseri...

Just like your profession most likely and definitely mine... there are times when even good professionals just get whipped. Their only real move is out and that can't happen immediately. I've experienced it. I've seen it many times in others. It effects not only your job performance and motivation but every other facet of your life. It is a miserable place to be. You still go through the motions but any hope of progressing enough to salvage the situation is long gone.
 
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sjt18 said:
Didn't say it was smart... and I probably shouldn't have lumped Chaney and some of the asst's in with Dooley and Sunseri...

Just like your profession most likely and definitely mine... there are times when even good professionals just get whipped. Their only real move is out and that can't happen immediately. I've experienced it. I've seen it many times in others. It effects not only your job performance and motivation but every other facet of your life. It is a miserable place to be. You still go through the motions but any hope of progressing enough to salvage the situation is long gone.
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Goodness. I almost feel like we bonded here. I can agree somewhat with some of your points.

Going to go puke now.
 
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sjt18 said:
Didn't say it was smart... and I probably shouldn't have lumped Chaney and some of the asst's in with Dooley and Sunseri...

Just like your profession most likely and definitely mine... there are times when even good professionals just get whipped. Their only real move is out and that can't happen immediately. I've experienced it. I've seen it many times in others. It effects not only your job performance and motivation but every other facet of your life. It is a miserable place to be. You still go through the motions but any hope of progressing enough to salvage the situation is long gone.
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you can not express that we are **** just yet, You have to give this coachihg staff at least one more year!:closedeyes:
 
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First time since 1925 and 1926 that UT has lost to Vandy two years in a row.

Most points allowed in a single game in 100 years (Oregon).

Four consecutive losing seasons.

Largest margin of loss to Auburn... ever.

Most rushing yds allow per game since at least 2007... yes... more than any of the 3 Dooley years by a wide margin. Most YPC also. Remember that at least 8 of the current starters started games for Dooley over the past 2 or 3 years. Others were contributors.


I don't see very much progress at all.
 
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sjt18 said:
Comparing this team to last year is meaningless. Players and coaches had already given up. Dooley was a lame duck. The best players were playing to preserve draft status. All assistants knew by no later than game six they were going to be unemployed soon.

The better comparison is when Dooley was full of hope and energy in 2010.

That team... with less talent and similar challenges performed better than this team.
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I think you're right.

And that's damn scary.
 
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sjt18 said:
First time since 1925 and 1926 that UT has lost to Vandy two years in a row.

Most points allowed in a single game in 100 years (Oregon).

Four consecutive losing seasons.

Largest margin of loss to Auburn... ever.

Most rushing yds allow per game since at least 2007... yes... more than any of the 3 Dooley years by a wide margin. Most YPC also. Remember that at least 8 of the current starters started games for Dooley over the past 2 or 3 years. Others were contributors.


I don't see very much progress at all.
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you are trying to make up for last year, sorry, it will not work, too many of us remember your post history. :birgits_giggle:
 
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PowerWookie said:
compared to last year and if you cannot see it open your mind and think again.

Don't get me wrong I'm not happy with a 5 win season but.....
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There are no "buts". The coaches underachieved with the talent they inherited. You really want to use last year as a baseline for improvement? Really? The most underachieving effort by any coach in the history of UT football... is the bar?

Try comparing to Dooley's first year. That's the more appropriate comparison don't you think?

1.) If we open with NC State instead of Oregon we get 6 wins and go bowling (assuming we beat the pack and the cats)...
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What does that have to do with being a better team? If they'd played in the American Conference they might have won 7.

2.) All 4 SEC home games were competitive through the first half and 3 of 4 were exciting until the very end with one or two stupid stupid plays loosing those games. This makes it worth going to the games again IMO as I had a lot of fun in Neyland this year
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Consider the competition but the Auburn game was not competitive.

3.) Players and ex-vols are much happier with this staff which appears to be combining with the new facilities and leading to a much better recruiting class
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I hope it does... but until those players prove they're as good as their rankings and the coaches prove they can win... this is not an "improvement".

4.) The kids are doing better in school
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That's nice.

5.) All of this occurs despite a brand new system and shaky QB play after loosing 3 players who are having a immediate impact on their NFL rosters (Hunter, CP, Riveria) and a talented yet headcase QB

My biggest complaint is that we should have beat UF....
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Lots of coaches install new systems... and don't stink it up. Lots of schools have to overcome playing young players and young QB's... and don't stink it up.

If your biggest complaint is losing to UF... then you probably deserve a team fighting for a trip to the Liberty Bowl on a yearly basis.
 
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johndoevol said:
you are trying to make up for last year, sorry, it will not work, too many of us remember your post history. :birgits_giggle:
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If I were scared of my post history or of admitting I was wrong... I would change my name like so many others have.

I argued for too much patience for Dooley. I was wrong. I am not going to do that again. Trust is earned... not given away like candy. Jones has done little to earn trust and much to lose it in the way they've coached this team.
 
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