this team has definitely made progress.....

[allvol123]

First time since 1925 and 1926 that UT has lost to Vandy two years in a row.

Most points allowed in a single game in 100 years (Oregon).

Four consecutive losing seasons.

Largest margin of loss to Auburn... ever.

Most rushing yds allow per game since at least 2007... yes... more than any of the 3 Dooley years by a wide margin. Most YPC also. Remember that at least 8 of the current starters started games for Dooley over the past 2 or 3 years. Others were contributors.


I don't see very much progress at all.

Beat a top 10 team. Definitely progress.

 

[allvol123]

If I were scared of my post history or of admitting I was wrong... I would change my name like so many others have.

I argued for too much patience for Dooley. I was wrong. I am not going to do that again. Trust is earned... not given away like candy. Jones has done little to earn trust and much to lose it in the way they've coached this team.

Being wrong about Dooley and taking it out on Jones is an incorrect adjustment by you.

 

[sjt18]

Beat a top 10 team. Definitely progress.

You of all people claiming that as progress?

It took two circus catches that have not been repeated any other time and a bad effort by USCe for UT to win that game.

In the context of the whole season, you really can't consider it much more than a fluke. At best, you could argue that this team and its coaches reached their potential once in 11 games... That is NOT good coaching.

 

[sjt18]

Being wrong about Dooley and taking it out on Jones is an incorrect adjustment by you.

I'm not taking anything out on Jones. This team has not been coached effectively. They've had opportunities to win games and lost. They lost to Vandy in spite of having a talent and home field advantage. They were blown out 4 times... and were never really in those games. At least Dooley could make it interesting for a half in his first year.

 

[johndoevol]

You of all people claiming that as progress?

It took two circus catches that have not been repeated any other time and a bad effort by USCe for UT to win that game.

In the context of the whole season, you really can't consider it much more than a fluke. At best, you could argue that this team and its coaches reached their potential once in 11 games... That is NOT good coaching.

you are angry for the burning dooley did to you, it is ok to recalibrate.

 

[allvol123]

You of all people claiming that as progress?

It took two circus catches that have not been repeated any other time and a bad effort by USCe for UT to win that game.

In the context of the whole season, you really can't consider it much more than a fluke. At best, you could argue that this team and its coaches reached their potential once in 11 games... That is NOT good coaching.

Yes, me of all people.

Butch beat a HOF coach that is running a top 10 team, with crap.

The catches mean nothing if you're not in the game.

I've said before, you and others underestimated the complete drain on a team having no QB and no skills. I said before the season, where is the offense going to come from?

Bad QB play impacts an entire team unlike any other position on the field.

 

[sjt18]

allvol123... you are imagining things if you think there's been progress over the course of this season in any respect that affected the outcome of a game positively.

They had WEEKS to prepare Dobbs to play.... what were they doing? The WR's didn't improve. The OL sure didn't improve. The DL regressed. The RB's were consistent. The TE's never showed up. The DB's treaded water. The LB's... were what they were.

What position group improved? What part of the team's performance improved from the first game to Vandy?

You guys conveniently blame everything on the players or a player... sorry but coaches make lots of money to develop players and get them ready to play. MANY coaches take raw Fr and get them ready to play. You guys act like Jones is the first coach to face those problems... he isn't. AND many of the others have done it successfully.

 

[sjt18]

you are angry for the burning dooley did to you, it is ok to recalibrate.

I'm not angry. Dooley failed. I'm not angry that he did... it is what it is. I did learn a lesson about closing my eyes to negative indicators though.... so I have in fact "recalibrated" not to do that again.

If you have the courage, compare this year to Dooley's first year. That staff performed at least as well or better than this one... and they made a bowl.... and they did not lose to anyone with less talent.

 

[allvol123]

allvol123... you are imagining things if you think there's been progress over the course of this season in any respect that affected the outcome of a game positively.

They had WEEKS to prepare Dobbs to play.... what were they doing? The WR's didn't improve. The OL sure didn't improve. The DL regressed. The RB's were consistent. The TE's never showed up. The DB's treaded water. The LB's... were what they were.

What position group improved? What part of the team's performance improved from the first game to Vandy?

You guys conveniently blame everything on the players or a player... sorry but coaches make lots of money to develop players and get them ready to play. MANY coaches take raw Fr and get them ready to play. You guys act like Jones is the first coach to face those problems... he isn't. AND many of the others have done it successfully.

I say he will win here and win big.

Quit *****footing around and stick your flag in the ground. Call your shot if you think he is going to fail instead of complaining about a low talent team not improving.

 

[PowerWookie]

I think one of the problems with a lot of fans is that fans are always looking for something to hold on to in hopes of making them feel better about the future.

The positives and negatives are about equal this year. However, the negatives made a late push to even the score. If the season had ended after the SC game, there would be buzzing going into the off-season. It didn't and we had to suffer through another horrible/lackluster November.

Let's just get through Sat with no injuries, get to signing day (which will cheer this place up), and look forward to the future.

There's no amount of turd polish that can make the last few years of UT football look better. It is what it is.

You can make up subjective opinions about this and that but

objectively we beat a top 10 team and were in almost every home game until the last play... that are the facts

 

[PowerWookie]

I say he will win here and win big.

Quit *****footing around and stick your flag in the ground. Call your shot if you think he is going to fail instead of complaining about a low talent team not improving.

My flag is with yours allvoll123

 

[PowerWookie]

Well said. As I have written (and been crucified for by many) all we want is a sign that things are actually getting better. Anyone honest with themselves knows that right now the results (not necessarily wins but level of performance) are no different than a Dooley coached team

It's not very manly to have the attitude of a dog that gets beat and every time a hand get raised you cower

 

[PowerWookie]

lol @ 5 wins. Not so fast my friend...

fair enough.....

 

[PowerWookie]

"games competitive through the first half" was a Dooley trademark.

and now it is a sign of progress?

You sir either need to reread my post and reconsider you reply or go back to 6th grade English reading/comprehension...

the whole point was that we were in all home games until the end except for Auburn which is better than the Dooley teams

 

[vol445]

Well I will say this season was full of downs however there were some ups (ga game even tho we lost was a positive sc was a positive north was a positive as well as sutton. Boys are gamers). Vandy loss was a negative. The way we played against Missouri auburn and Alabama was a downer. However didn't expect to win those as well as Oregon. Recruiting is a positive. The sc game we didn't win the past three years and really how long has it been since we won a game we shouldn't. The team was not a disappointment but had disappointments. We are in better shape even tho we finish the same as last year
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[PowerWookie]

What about the Oregon game, the Fla game, the Mizzou game, the Auburn game, the Bama game, the Vandy game???

Any progression there?? Doubtful.

What I and others have seen is regression across the board since the S. Caro game.

hey smart dude.. what was different about the Mizz, Aub, Vandy.....

oh yeah we lost the QB that gave us the best chance to win and beat that top 10 team...

we were getting whipped by bama and oregon no matter what

If the fans would not have been on the coaches azz to start Peterman we probably beat UF too... but I do agree Most of the decision to start Peterman is on the coaches and Whorley's back.. that is why the UF loss pisses me off

 

[rockytop114]

and being competitive in half of the conference (7 teams) would be kind of reminiscent of co-co and co-co-co championships of the 7 team Big Least. i see the parallel.

we are 4-7

under
Dooley 3-8
maybe 2-9

 

[PowerWookie]

We only have 4 wins! Wake up dreamer!!!!!!!!!

U wanna wager $1,000 on the UK game

 

[rockytop114]

the way i see it If we kept Dooley or Chaney then we have a worst year this year and no excitement with the change last year we are a year ahead.

Butch changed the culter and managed to get a signiture win this year and bring excitment . the recruiting will payoff and next year there will be improvement.

Did we fall short of are goal, yes
Did Butch do better this year than are last coach would have done, yes

 

[PowerWookie]

Yes, me of all people.

Butch beat a HOF coach that is running a top 10 team, with crap.

The catches mean nothing if you're not in the game.

I've said before, you and others underestimated the complete drain on a team having no QB and no skills. I said before the season, where is the offense going to come from?

Bad QB play impacts an entire team unlike any other position on the field.

QB is huge

Losing a Worley was a bigger deal than most think. direct info from a player said he was the QB on the roster that gave this team the best opportunity to win this year and the two fresh were not ready........Dobbs has potential but I think we will all agree that he was not ready...

... if we have Bray not suspended this team wins 8 games.... heck... if hunter stays also we may win 9...I know this is day dreaming...but I think our offense was that close....just missing a slinging QB and one upperclassman top SEC receiver

 

[PowerWookie]

PLUS we lost our best receiver in the first quater on sat....that is too much for this team.. heck look at UGA a much deeper team that had issues competing after key players went down

 

[sjt18]

I say he will win here and win big.

Quit *****footing around and stick your flag in the ground. Call your shot if you think he is going to fail instead of complaining about a low talent team not improving.

I say that this season is an indicator against him surviving and succeeding. I do not believe in making predictions about future events in definitive terms when I don't have any control over those outcomes. I can read information and trends... and make predictions based on probability.

Right now, it looks as if he will finish this year with one of the worst seasons UT has had in the modern era. He has underachieved with the talent he inherited by at least one and as many as 3 wins. The team has shown no sign of improvement that is reflected in stats or wins. He has been completely uncompetitive against 4 opponents. (I have not gone back any further than 1963 but this is the first season in at least 50 years that UT has lost 4 games by 28+ pts.)

His staff allowed more points to Oregon than UT has allowed to any opponent in 100 years. He owns the all time greatest loss margin to Auburn. His loss to a very beatable Vandy team marks the first time since the 1920's that UT has lost to Vandy in consecutive years.

If AJ goes pro, UT will have 4-7 NFL draftees. The team was not devoid of talent.

I see only one sign that UT football is getting better (recruiting) and NONE that this staff has the coaching ability to compete in the SEC. I hope they can change that because they get 3 years regardlesss. But here is my opinion about the way this is likely to go:

Jones will finish this season with 7 or 8 losses. People and especially those supportive of his hire will give him a pass. The AD and others have a vested interest in excusing this failure.

Next year, he will struggle again with a very young team. I believe this mostly since if they cannot coach up a team and implement a system with players that have 3 years of college experience under their belts then they are very unlikely to do it with a bunch of JUCO's and Fr. They also play another tough schedule with few if any breaks.... SO, the fangs will come out and he will be in the same make or break situation that both Dooley and Fulmer found themselves in the off-season before they were fired.

Jones will be left with a difficult and risky choice. Either he keeps his staff and stays the course or hires a new one and hope that it works out. Neither choice has a high probability of success. I suspect he will keep his staff with his career hanging on showing he can compete with a staff.... that has done everything to show it cannot compete this year.

 

[sjt18]

FTR, those who think the '14 is going to come riding to the rescue and save '14... how many of the Fr that started or played made huge strides this year? What is the indication that this staff can coach up new players and get production from them right away? Others coaches not only do it, they make a living at it.

 

[sjt18]

the way i see it If we kept Dooley or Chaney then we have a worst year this year and no excitement with the change last year we are a year ahead.

Butch changed the culter and managed to get a signiture win this year and bring excitment . the recruiting will payoff and next year there will be improvement.

Did we fall short of are goal, yes
Did Butch do better this year than are last coach would have done, yes

Jones can leverage being new and beating USCe for one year. He can blame a new system, talent, development, et al for one year. If next year goes as badly as it could... that won't sell this time next year.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

compared to last year and if you cannot see it open your mind and think again.

Don't get me wrong I'm not happy with a 5 win season but.....

1.) If we open with NC State instead of Oregon we get 6 wins and go bowling (assuming we beat the pack and the cats)...

2.) All 4 SEC home games were competitive through the first half and 3 of 4 were exciting until the very end with one or two stupid stupid plays loosing those games. This makes it worth going to the games again IMO as I had a lot of fun in Neyland this year

3.) Players and ex-vols are much happier with this staff which appears to be combining with the new facilities and leading to a much better recruiting class

4.) The kids are doing better in school

5.) All of this occurs despite a brand new system and shaky QB play after loosing 3 players who are having a immediate impact on their NFL rosters (Hunter, CP, Riveria) and a talented yet headcase QB

My biggest complaint is that we should have beat UF....

We haven't won 5 games yet...