This winter is killing two of the biggest scare tactic lies ever told...

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Nash270 said:
ha yeah, i laugh about it but its scary. ROFL at the picture of the garden of Eden with dinosaurs in it. And the fact the figures of humans in the exhibits all look like us. Its a fact we have evolved in 2000 years AT LEAST. The average man in just the 17th-century was 5’ 6"
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WOW! My mom is 5'-6", dad was 5'-11". I'm 6'-6", did I evolve that much in 1 generation? Probably weren't any tall people through out all of history until now.

Question: What is the Average Height for an Adult Male?
Answer: According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the average height for an adult male in the United States is:
•69.2 inches, or
•5 feet 9.2 inches (2005 stats)

We've really shot up there since the 17th century!
 
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Oldvol75 said:
WOW! My mom is 5'-6", dad was 5'-11". I'm 6'-6", did I evolve that much in 1 generation? Probably weren't any tall people through out all of history until now.

Question: What is the Average Height for an Adult Male?
Answer: According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the average height for an adult male in the United States is:
•69.2 inches, or
•5 feet 9.2 inches (2005 stats)

We've really shot up there since the 17th century!
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what are you getting at? Link above backs up what i said. You may not agree with abiogenesis (plenty dont), but evolution is fact.
 
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Nash270 said:
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what are you getting at? Link above backs up what i said. You may not agree with abiogenesis (plenty dont), but evolution is fact.
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I hate to disagree with you, but height change over the last 200 years is not an example of evolution. You might want to reread that article.
 
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Nash270 said:
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what are you getting at? Link above backs up what i said. You may not agree with abiogenesis (plenty dont), but evolution is fact. Did you know jesus was more than likey about 5'1 due to average height in the period?
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What real changes other than height has modern man made? Do we really know that from the 17th century that all citizens were included in these surveys? Or was it just the nobility of the middle ages that were counted?

What difference would it make if Jesus were 5'-1" or 7'-1"? Sounds like you are just trying to start another battle here and deflect attention away from something else.
 
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#257
Why are you tree huggers backing away from the term "global warming" and running towards this "climate change" nonsense?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Why are you tree huggers backing away from the term "global warming" and running towards this "climate change" nonsense?
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Because if it is referred to as "warming," people like you jump on snow in the South and ignore that they're having to truck in snow for the winter Olympics in British Columbia. You think warming means it gets hotter everywhere. That isn't what it means, as we're talking about "global" warming, i.e. there is more energy in the net system, not that it is a little warmer in Rasputin_Vol's yard so it will never have any snow in it.

We "ran towards" climate change about 15 years ago.


These threads run in circles... Just like evolution and religion threads.
 
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IPorange said:
Because if it is referred to as "warming," people like you jump on snow in the South and ignore that they're having to truck in snow for the winter Olympics in British Columbia. You think warming means it gets hotter everywhere. That isn't what it means, as we're talking about "global" warming, i.e. there is more energy in the net system, not that it is a little warmer in Rasputin_Vol's yard so it will never have any snow in it.

We "ran towards" climate change about 15 years ago.


These threads run in circles... Just like evolution and religion threads.
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They are having a warm couple of weeks at Whistler not winter. And Europe is getting hammered. Round and round we go.
 
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IP, you are obviously dug into only the science portion, which if you are, I applaud you for not getting yourself twisted in the bureaucratic BS. The problem is, even if climate change is happening, which I believe it is, it's not man-made. We can see that the Earth's temperatures have fluctuated many times before this, and CO2 wasn't even a factor. The whole "conspiracy" is trying to blame your neighbors for things that aren't even close to a contributing factor. Everything that takes place on this Earth is cyclical for the most part, and climate change is one of those things. There are a lot of scientists that have presented things poorly, and basically have told some of the public that the weather is not dynamic. Basically, telling us that the weather should be a specific way all the time, and there is no room for change and if there is change we have caused it. That's where I take issue. If it is climate change, we won't know for a long time, because as you have pointed out, you can't take a specific set of events to point one way or another. Unfortunately, the doomsday people are killing the science and the extreme people will or won't listen, and the people stuck in between are not going to have enough evidence to be shown one way or another. Until there is CONCRETE evidence one way or another, there will be no consensus, and people just need to not worry and live their daily lives. They also don't need to be forced to pay for something that can't be proven to them one way or another either. That's stealing, and you can't argue that.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Ahhh.....

I got a snow day for now. We don't recognize presidents.:)
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We got nothing this last go around. They were saying before I went to be last night, 3-4 inches. When I got up it was raining with a temp of 36. Now the sun is shining and its 28. Guess the cold and rain never met!
 
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IPorange said:
I hate to disagree with you, but height change over the last 200 years is not an example of evolution. You might want to reread that article.
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That article was just the first example i googled, The article was referring to last 200 years but i was not. .. Heres a Foxnews source to hold you over....

Fox News: Still evolving

Oldvol75 said:
What real changes other than height has modern man made? Do we really know that from the 17th century that all citizens were included in these surveys? Or was it just the nobility of the middle ages that were counted?

What difference would it make if Jesus were 5'-1" or 7'-1"? Sounds like you are just trying to start another battle here and deflect attention away from something else.
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I tried to delete that as I realized it was bird walking, but of course once evidence is brought up the rebuttal is a denouncement of the way the evidence is gathered...
 
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Nash270 said:
Fox News: Still evolving...
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"In contrast to our limited but growing knowledge regarding the modern evolution of the human brain, the best example we see of evolution of humans in recent history is linked with malaria, Hawks said."

Don't we use drugs to treat malaria?

Lactose tolerance is another recent example of a recent evolutionary change.

"Most of the world remains lactose intolerant, unable to digest the complex milk sugar lactose as adults, but the evolution of lactose tolerance perhaps some 7,500 years ago in Europe enabled people there to take advantage of non-human milk, a highly nutritious food source one can sustainably procure instead of slaughtering animals.

Other evolutionary changes linked with diet appear to deal with genes conferring protection against type II diabetes.

"When you develop agricultural diets, you might need adaptations to survive on them, the way the digestive systems are regulated," Hawks said."

I honestly can say that I know one person that is lastose intolerant.

How much of this "evolution" has to do with food additives and chemicals that are now added to the food products that are put in food now? The article did start with brains getting smaller.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
"In contrast to our limited but growing knowledge regarding the modern evolution of the human brain, the best example we see of evolution of humans in recent history is linked with malaria, Hawks said."

Don't we use drugs to treat malaria?

Lactose tolerance is another recent example of a recent evolutionary change.

"Most of the world remains lactose intolerant, unable to digest the complex milk sugar lactose as adults, but the evolution of lactose tolerance perhaps some 7,500 years ago in Europe enabled people there to take advantage of non-human milk, a highly nutritious food source one can sustainably procure instead of slaughtering animals.

Other evolutionary changes linked with diet appear to deal with genes conferring protection against type II diabetes.

"When you develop agricultural diets, you might need adaptations to survive on them, the way the digestive systems are regulated," Hawks said."

I honestly can say that I know one person that is lastose intolerant.

How much of this "evolution" has to do with food additives and chemicals that are now added to the food products that are put in food now? The article did start with brains getting smaller.
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lets not hijack the thread, I admit i started it. I would much rather argue gobal WARMING as i am SNOWED in :crazy:, but i am watching the Olympics as they use helicopters to bring in snow
 
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Oldvol75 said:
"In contrast to our limited but growing knowledge regarding the modern evolution of the human brain, the best example we see of evolution of humans in recent history is linked with malaria, Hawks said."

Don't we use drugs to treat malaria?

Lactose tolerance is another recent example of a recent evolutionary change.

"Most of the world remains lactose intolerant, unable to digest the complex milk sugar lactose as adults, but the evolution of lactose tolerance perhaps some 7,500 years ago in Europe enabled people there to take advantage of non-human milk, a highly nutritious food source one can sustainably procure instead of slaughtering animals.

Other evolutionary changes linked with diet appear to deal with genes conferring protection against type II diabetes.

"When you develop agricultural diets, you might need adaptations to survive on them, the way the digestive systems are regulated," Hawks said."

I honestly can say that I know one person that is lastose intolerant.

How much of this "evolution" has to do with food additives and chemicals that are now added to the food products that are put in food now? The article did start with brains getting smaller.
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I am not sure what us treating Malaria with drugs has to do with anything. The people with adaptations to Malaria are usually of African descent. Sickle-cell anemia, in it's milder forms, makes it very tough to get a strong bout of Malaria. Obviously a stronger case of sickle-cell anemia is bad too, but if you live in Sub Saharan Africa I bet you'd take your chances.

The group that is the most lactose tolerant is those of European descent. If you go to communities made up of predominantly other ethnicities, you'll see a lot more lactose-intolerant people. Humans are quite the oddity to even have this trait in their gene pool.
 
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Nash270 said:
lets not hijack the thread, I admit i started it. I would much rather argue gobal WARMING as i am SNOWED in :crazy:, but i am watching the Olympics as they use helicopters to bring in snow
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I'm not snowed in anymore. I wish they would helicopter in some snow here!

Just asking a few questions off of what you linked, there may be other explanations other than evolution to explain what is happening.
 
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The global warming theory is still open for debate; we'll know more in July----if it gets so hot that the polar glaciers continue to melt. Colder winters are supposed to be the by-product of the melting ice caps---the melt cools the oceans and prevents the jet stream advance in North America. I saw this on the History channel about five years ago, predicting super cold temps in the South.

The swine flu scare was just that---a fear tactic to garner support for the Government Health Care bill. Thus far, it has failed---hope that continues.
 
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