Thompson Lobbied For Abortion Group After All

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vader said:
That sounds pretty reasonable to me. Based on what you said in post 17, doesn't that put you in the choice crowd? I am truly not trying to argue. It sounds like our views on this maybe closer than you think. :peace2:
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Ok, I am pro-choice then in respect to the government not legislating it. :salute:
 
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GAVol said:
That's sort of what my stance is. I am against legislating the issue, so I'm pro-choice in that regard . . . but I think you should always choose life except in rare circumstances.
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Are you really against legislating the issue? So you would rather there be no laws on it and a woman can abort anytime during pregnancy?
 
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I'm not making this up: I had a psychology professor in college that claimed that he advocated the right euthanasia up until age 3 or 4 (can't really remember). I think he said it just to push people's buttons, but after making some late night Wal-Mart runs, I think he may have been on to something :wink2:
 
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allvol123 said:
Are you really against legislating the issue? So you would rather there be no laws on it and a woman can abort anytime during pregnancy?
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It sounds awful, but I've really found myself moving in that direction. I've grown so wary of abortion as a political football that I honestly believe we could do more to reduce abortion by using the time, energy and money that we waste on the debate elsewhere.
 
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GAVol said:
It sounds awful, but I've really found myself moving in that direction. I've grown so wary of abortion as a political football that I honestly believe we could do more to reduce abortion by using the time, energy and money that we waste on the debate elsewhere.
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I like to hang out with the libertarians but I find it hard to believe you go that far? Yes it is a political football, but just looking at the issue honestly, can you really stomach that? I mean are you then for no legislation on murder?
 
#31
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GAVol said:
It sounds awful, but I've really found myself moving in that direction. I've grown so wary of abortion as a political football that I honestly believe we could do more to reduce abortion by using the time, energy and money that we waste on the debate elsewhere.
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:clapping:. EXACTLY.
 
#32
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok explain what you mean here because I am under the impression that there are 3 stances life, choice, and abortion. Life means that you don't believe in abortion at all for any reasons and believe the government should ban it. Choice means that people should be able to make the decision but doesn't mean you have to agree with it. Abortion mean that you believe in abortion all the way up to right before the baby comes out. Is that a correct assessment??
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I think you need to expand your definition of choice. Choice can also be used when there is a legitimate health issue for either the mother or the fetus. A girl or woman who is raped or is the victim of incest should be allowed to choose whether or not to carry to full term.

I also think there are quality of life issues to be considered as well. If a 20 year old crack addict is pregnant and during her pregnancy she's diagnosed with AIDS, what then? Once upon a time, I would have said she has that baby regardless of the circumstance knowing that the mother is not responsible enough to care for either herself or the child. She'd already made her choices and now had to live with the consequences. That's the problem with the conservative approach to abortion, use the power of government to force a pregnancy to come to term then ignore the new life by cutting social welfare programs.
 
#33
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GAVol said:
It sounds awful, but I've really found myself moving in that direction. I've grown so wary of abortion as a political football that I honestly believe we could do more to reduce abortion by using the time, energy and money that we waste on the debate elsewhere.
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:salute:
 
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allvol123 said:
I like to hang out with the libertarians but I find it hard to believe you go that far? Yes it is a political football, but just looking at the issue honestly, can you really stomach that? I mean are you then for no legislation on murder?
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Come on allvol don't drop that in here. He is pro-choice but he also stated that he said you should choose life except in rare circumstances. Its not about abortion as far as the issue goes, its about governmental control on these moral issues even though there is no religion in government right??
 
#35
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Come on allvol don't drop that in here. He is pro-choice but he also stated that he said you should choose life except in rare circumstances. Its not about abortion as far as the issue goes, its about governmental control on these moral issues even though there is no religion in government right??
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I am not dropping anything. I am all for hands off governing. If you can completely say you are for non-legislation of this issue then it begs the question, are you ok with non-legislation of murder? I mean if you are ok with the government ignoring murder of an 8 month old fetus, why should murder of an adult that actually has some capacity to defend himself be prosecuted? I see it as a reasonable question.

I am all for freedom, but not to the point of someone being allowed to kill someone else.
 
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MG1968 said:
I think you need to expand your definition of choice. Choice can also be used when there is a legitimate health issue for either the mother or the fetus. A girl or woman who is raped or is the victim of incest should be allowed to choose whether or not to carry to full term.

I also think there are quality of life issues to be considered as well. If a 20 year old crack addict is pregnant and during her pregnancy she's diagnosed with AIDS, what then? Once upon a time, I would have said she has that baby regardless of the circumstance knowing that the mother is not responsible enough to care for either herself or the child. She'd already made her choices and now had to live with the consequences. That's the problem with the conservative approach to abortion, use the power of government to force a pregnancy to come to term then ignore the new life by cutting social welfare programs.
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Have you read my posts?? I said I don't agree with legislating the issue and that government doesn't need to get involved PERIOD. Don't even get me started on welfare, because the same liberals that want partial birth abortions want to keep people on welfare that have 5 kids. Doesn't make much sense does it??
 
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allvol123 said:
I like to hang out with the libertarians but I find it hard to believe you go that far? Yes it is a political football, but just looking at the issue honestly, can you really stomach that? I mean are you then for no legislation on murder?
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I didn't mean that I wanted it completely decriminalized. Of course there have to be guidelines, but more than anything I'm saying enough with the useless effort to put forth a constitutional amendment and efforts to completely outlaw the procedure.
 
#38
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GAVol said:
I didn't mean that I wanted it completely decriminalized. I'm just saying enough with the useless effort to put forward a constitutional amendment and efforts to completely outlaw the procedure.
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I was just going by what you said, "against legislating the issue". That's all, not being a Smarta$$ with you. I was amazed by your earlier answer, but I think I know what you are aiming at now. But it obviuosly cannot be "not legislated".
 
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allvol123 said:
I am not dropping anything. I am all for hands off governing. If you can completely say you are for non-legislation of this issue then it begs the question, are you ok with non-legislation of murder? I mean if you are ok with the government ignoring murder of an 8 month old fetus, why should murder of an adult that actually has some capacity to defend himself be prosecuted? I see it as a reasonable question.

I am all for freedom, but not to the point of someone being allowed to kill someone else.
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The doctors should adopt a resolution amongst themselves as far as that goes so that doesn't happen. Even if that happens though, you will still have people going to third world countries to have the procedure done if they are going to anyway and more problems arising from that. So if the US decides to legislate that, then the world does then. That's the problem with legislation.
 
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allvol123 said:
I was just going by what you said, "against legislating the issue". That's all, not being a Smarta$$ with you. I was amazed by your earlier answer, but I think I know what you are aiming at now. But it obviuosly cannot be "not legislated".
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I should have said not FURTHER legislated.

In a perfect world, Roe v. Wade would have never happened and this would have been an issue left to the states.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The doctors should adopt a resolution amongst themselves as far as that goes so that doesn't happen. Even if that happens though, you will still have people going to third world countries to have the procedure done if they are going to anyway and more problems arising from that. So if the US decides to legislate that, then the world does then. That's the problem with legislation.
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There is no problem with outlawing murder. You can debate when a life becomes a life, but legislation is a necessity on the issue of murder. I care not what people go to other countries to do, I don't live there.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
The doctors should adopt a resolution amongst themselves as far as that goes so that doesn't happen. Even if that happens though, you will still have people going to third world countries to have the procedure done if they are going to anyway and more problems arising from that. So if the US decides to legislate that, then the world does then. That's the problem with legislation.
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I can't see this being an issue, now had you said first world back alleys, you would be correct.
 
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hatvol96 said:
No. I don't draw asinine moral equivalencies between fetuses in utero and walking, talking human beings.
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So where do you draw it professor? You realize that the instant a baby enters the world it cannot talk or walk, so it is not a walking, talking human being? Sounds like you been hanging out with flat earthers?

I mean, in your world, 5 seconds before a baby is born it is not a human being. But at some point it is? When is it?
 
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