Thompson Lobbied For Abortion Group After All

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allvol123 said:
So where do you draw it professor? You realize that the instant a baby enters the world it cannot talk or walk, so it is not a walking, talking human being? Sounds like you been hanging out with flat earthers?

I mean, in your world, 5 seconds before a baby is born it is not a human being. But at some point it is? When is it?
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A pretty good starting point would be at birth. That seems to be a generally accepted measure of a human's stay on this orb. I don't ever remember ever seeing a job application with a blank requesting my "Conception Date" or "Viability Date."
 
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allvol123 said:
So where do you draw it professor? You realize that the instant a baby enters the world it cannot talk or walk, so it is not a walking, talking human being? Sounds like you been hanging out with flat earthers?

I mean, in your world, 5 seconds before a baby is born it is not a human being. But at some point it is? When is it?
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You're the one who was drawing comparisons between fetuses and people who "could protect themselves." I just took your point and added my opinion.
 
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I am morally and religiously against abortion. I have chosen those beliefs. I cannot force someone who does not have those beliefs to abide by a law that restricts their freedom of choice as much as it does mine. I am against being told my taxes will help pay for it. Should the technology be available for safe extractions. Yes. Should they be self funded. Yes. Don't use my taxes to fund a moral issue. Will I ever approve of it or see it other than killing. No. But, I'm not the one living with having had the abortion or performed it.
 
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hatvol96 said:
A pretty good starting point would be at birth. That seems to be a generally accepted measure of a human's stay on this orb. I don't ever remember ever seeing a job application with a blank requesting my "Conception Date" or "Viability Date."
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That may be some of the stupidest garble you have ever posted. A child is not a viable being until it leaves the woman? I didn't know job applications were the litmus test to when life starts? Wonderful reasoning. I wonder why people go to the doctor when they are pregnant, I mean what is the doc looking after?
 
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hatvol96 said:
You're the one who was drawing comparisons between fetuses and people who "could protect themselves." I just took your point and added my opinion.
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Actually fetuses can't protect themselves which is why they would need some legislative help.
 
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Back to my original point...he and his handlers are going around telling social conservatives that he is pro-life and to look at his voting record. But these same crowds he speaks to do not define pro-life in the same manner as his statements on 'states' rights' control.

My original point in this was that he'll find trouble with many pro-lifers when people read the fine print of his background and positions. Some may even STILL support him just because they are so desperate for Reagan-incarnate. So there is the dilemma this group will face. And I am referring more to the actual pro-life groups than just individuals who vary on their personal positions as shown by previous posts here.
 
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My wife was in an auto accident back in May and she had our daughter two and a half weeks before her due date. Our daughter was born healthy but I guarantee you if she died in the womb there would be charges of manslaughter, vehicular homicide or some variant of that.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Back to my original point...
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Thank goodness . . .

CSpindizzy said:
he and his handlers are going around telling social conservatives that he is pro-life and to look at his voting record. But these same crowds he speaks to do not define pro-life in the same manner as his statements on 'states' rights' control.

My original point in this was that he'll find trouble with many pro-lifers when people read the fine print of his background and positions. Some may even STILL support him just because they are so desperate for Reagan-incarnate. So there is the dilemma this group will face. And I am referring more to the actual pro-life groups than just individuals who vary on their personal positions as shown by previous posts here.
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Haven't a lot of candidates pulled this sort of switcharoo though? George H.W. Bush did a backflip on the issue in order to get on Reagan's ticket and nobody seemed to care.
 
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allvol123 said:
Actually fetuses can't protect themselves which is why they would need some legislative help.
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Yeah, God forbid the person who has to carry the child having any say in the matter. Let's let a bunch of geriatric oafs decide how a woman chooses to handle a pregnancy.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
My wife was in an auto accident back in May and she had our daughter two and a half weeks before her due date. Our daughter was born healthy but I guarantee you if she died in the womb there would be charges of manslaughter, vehicular homicide or some variant of that.
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I'm glad everything turned out OK.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
My wife was in an auto accident back in May and she had our daughter two and a half weeks before her due date. Our daughter was born healthy but I guarantee you if she died in the womb there would be charges of manslaughter, vehicular homicide or some variant of that.
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That would have been the result of legislative stupidity.
 
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GAVol said:
Thank goodness . . .



Haven't a lot of candidates pulled this sort of switcharoo though? George H.W. Bush did a backflip on the issue in order to get on Reagan's ticket and nobody seemed to care.
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Voodoo economics?
 
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Sorry, this will be my only post about this.

Would it be possible for someone to explain the whole heart pumping/beating in the mothers womb and how it is not murder to abort the child?
 
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vader said:
I'm glad everything turned out OK.
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Me too . . . That kind of stuff scares the crap out of me. My wife experienced pre-term labor this weekend at only 20 weeks. It turned out to be nothing, but it blew my mind when the Doctor started talking about fetal viability at 24 weeks.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, God forbid the person who has to carry the child having any say in the matter. Let's let a bunch of geriatric oafs decide how a woman chooses to handle a pregnancy.
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I didn't know deciding to carry a child for 8 months and then not being allowed to kill it was them not having a say so in the matter. Why stop there? Why can't they have any say so in ending the life 2 months after it is born in your second century world?
 
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hatvol96 said:
A pretty good starting point would be at birth. That seems to be a generally accepted measure of a human's stay on this orb. I don't ever remember ever seeing a job application with a blank requesting my "Conception Date" or "Viability Date."
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Of course, here you are referring to the physical form that will return to dust. Life was already planned for the soul of that body as God knew us before we were in our mothers wound. As a humanly recognized form for the government to begin taxing and telling what to do, then yes, birth is a measuring point. Then again since the child already has a heartbeat and such in the wound, religiously speaking, whatever you do to the least of children, you do to the Father. If I cut and destroy fetuses from animals, I will go to jail for cruelty to animals, yet human life is somehow less comparable.
 
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GAVol said:
Haven't a lot of candidates pulled this sort of switcharoo though? George H.W. Bush did a backflip on the issue in order to get on Reagan's ticket and nobody seemed to care.
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Well Rudy and Mitt have both taken some hits on their flipflopping....so in their cases they could be whining about the double standard IF these same groups give Fred a pass. So many have flopped but many have also been held accountable for those positions. We'll see what standard Fred is held to. As I said, I wonder if these groups so desperate for their knight in shining armor give Fred a pass.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yes, nothing screams for legislative action more than how a woman chooses to handle a personal matter.
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Actually it is not personal when someone else is involved. Sorry the other party is unable to speak their mind or show their disagreement with the decision being made. I assume you are ok with mentally retarded people being put down since they really can't argue the matter.
 
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GAVol said:
Me too . . . That kind of stuff scares the crap out of me. My wife experienced pre-term labor this weekend at only 20 weeks. It turned out to be nothing, but it blew my mind when the Doctor started talking about fetal viability at 24 weeks.
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Yeah. Those events and those conversations can get really scary. Was it just the typical Braxton Hicks or something else?
 
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allvol123 said:
That may be some of the stupidest garble you have ever posted. A child is not a viable being until it leaves the woman? I didn't know job applications were the litmus test to when life starts? Wonderful reasoning. I wonder why people go to the doctor when they are pregnant, I mean what is the doc looking after?
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Obviously, your reading comprehension skills have taken a vacation. You asked me to set a standard as to when I believe life begins. I gave you what is the generally recognized benchmark. I could care less about viability or the fact that some snakehandler thinks life begins at conception. I would assume most pregnant women who go to the doctor are looking out for both themselves and the fetus. However, I'm pretty sure who the mother is looking out for when they go to terminate a pregnancy. It's not little Jimmy.
 
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allvol123 said:
Actually it is not personal when someone else is involved. Sorry the other party is unable to speak their mind or show their disagreement with the decision being made. I assume you are ok with mentally retarded people being put down since they really can't argue the matter.
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Good job. Continue to bring unrelated issues into a discussion in an attempt to buttress your Bible based blather. Nice. Actually, if the mentally retarded people are residing inside someone else's body, I have no problem with the situs person terminating the retard.
 
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