Thoughts on Olivier Nkamhoua?

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cncchris33 said:
Kid has a loooong way to go to relevance.
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He has some things you can’t teach...above average athleticism, good length, good mobility for a big...unfortunately just about all of his skills really need development. If he is willing to put in the work I think he can become a very good player, but he’s going to have to be willing to work for it.
 
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I think he lost confidence midway through the season and then hit a wall. By the end of the year it was like he had never played before. He showed some flashes the first 1/3 of the season. I think by his junior year he could be a really good role player for us.
 
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wtmvol said:
I think he lost confidence midway through the season and then hit a wall. By the end of the year it was like he had never played before. He showed some flashes the first 1/3 of the season. I think by his junior year he could be a really good role player for us.
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Well said

I agree he can be a good contributor if he gets to play some this season. If not he’s likely never going to help
 
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wtmvol said:
I think he lost confidence midway through the season and then hit a wall. By the end of the year it was like he had never played before. He showed some flashes the first 1/3 of the season. I think by his junior year he could be a really good role player for us.
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This. Early on he showed some nice athleticism and skills. Then he lost confidence and tried to rush things, bumbled passes etc.. Very similar to Fulky when he cam back from injury. A lot of folks thought Fulky should leave the program at one time. Give him a redshirt year and I think he will be a big contributor down the road. An above average SEC starter.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Agree to disagree, not going down this rabbit hole with you. Some players benefit from having a year to develop, doesn’t mean they are destined to suck forever.
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I can’t think of a single player that redshirted due to “lack of skill” after playing a year and that player come back and contributed for any team any where. Now surely there are a few out there so maybe you can share some success stories of players that RS for such reasons and came back and were good players. I just don’t think there are many if at all.
 
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will be a pretty good player by the time he is a junior and senior. has some nice skills, just thought he couldn’t catch up to the game speed last year . once the game slows down for him, i think he will put it all together.
 
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BruinVol said:
I can’t think of a single player that redshirted due to “lack of skill” after playing a year and that player come back and contributed for any team any where. Now surely there are a few out there so maybe you can share some success stories of players that RS for such reasons and came back and were good players. I just don’t think there are many if at all.
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I don’t think he would be necessarily redshirting due to lack of skill as much as he would be because of lack of PT...didn’t the football team redshirt a player or two last season that were expected to be contributors? I know there’s talk this season of a lineman or 2 with experience redshirting to save a year.

There’s literally no point in rolling with 13 eligible players, and I highly doubt any of the freshman are redshirting, so that only leaves guys with some experience like Pember, Gaines or ORN.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don’t think he would be necessarily redshirting due to lack of skill as much as he would be because of lack of PT...didn’t the football team redshirt a player or two last season that were expected to be contributors? I know there’s talk this season of a lineman or 2 with experience redshirting to save a year.

There’s literally no point in rolling with 13 eligible players, and I highly doubt any of the freshman are redshirting, so that only leaves guys with some experience like Pember, Gaines or ORN.
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There are plenty of examples in football but I can’t think of any in basketball. The point I am making is if a player isn’t ready to get PT as you say as a sophomore he rarely is going to be ready later. Most of those guys get recruited over and RSing only prolongs their spot on the 13
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He has some things you can’t teach...above average athleticism, good length, good mobility for a big...unfortunately just about all of his skills really need development. If he is willing to put in the work I think he can become a very good player, but he’s going to have to be willing to work for it.
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This post sums it up pretty well...
wtmvol said:
I think he lost confidence midway through the season and then hit a wall. By the end of the year it was like he had never played before. He showed some flashes the first 1/3 of the season. I think by his junior year he could be a really good role player for us.
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He has some tools to work with. He just has to be Grant Williams level of dedicated to get it all out of him, and not be so timid.
 
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BruinVol said:
There are plenty of examples in football but I can’t think of any in basketball. The point I am making is if a player isn’t ready to get PT as you say as a sophomore he rarely is going to be ready later. Most of those guys get recruited over and RSing only prolongs their spot on the 13
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How’s it prolonging his spot? He is prohibited from being recruited over or transferring if he redshirts?

Best case is the redshirt does him good and he makes big strides, worst case is he doesn’t develop and he leaves Tennessee.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How’s it prolonging his spot? He is prohibited from being recruited over or transferring if he redshirts?

Best case is the redshirt does him good and he makes big strides, worst case is he doesn’t develop and he leaves Tennessee.
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Worst case is he’s here 5 years and never contributes

5 is worse than 4 that’s why a RS isn’t always best. And also if the NCAA doesn’t allow the one time transfer he would need the RS to transfer anyways
 
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BruinVol said:
Worst case is he’s here 5 years and never contributes

5 is worse than 4 that’s why a RS isn’t always best. And also if the NCAA doesn’t allow the one time transfer he would need the RS to transfer anyways
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The staff would have to allow that...you said similarly about Kent, he’s not on the roster...you are well aware that if the staff wants the room they’ll make it.

And according to you the transfer rule was a slam dunk to happen this year, and while that isn’t the case it’s almost a forgone conclusion to happen next year. And also not really Tennessee’s concern.
 
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I also look for him to be a big part of the team if he's still around for his junior and senior seasons. He needs to be an Alpha Dog when he has matured a bit. He kind of became a Beta last year by the time the conference schedule rolled up... which is understandable when transitioning into the SEC at his age. It won't hurt him at all getting to battle with Anosike in Pratt for a year. Hopefully he could be a force on the boards after Anosike leaves a void there.

I suppose that how that 2021 recruiting class fills out is going to be a huge factor in his role down the road.
 
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Definitely possible to contribute but you could probably shuffle the lineup a bit and get the same production and give him a full year of work. You lose Pons, Fulky, and Enisoike (Spelling)... You could make up for those Mins with Walker and a small ball lineup.... A full calendar year of Gym work with CRB and Coach English , plus a fully developed Strength and Conditioning, def worth it IMO... Better than an unknown Freshman...
 
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BruinVol said:
There are plenty of examples in football but I can’t think of any in basketball. The point I am making is if a player isn’t ready to get PT as you say as a sophomore he rarely is going to be ready later. Most of those guys get recruited over and RSing only prolongs their spot on the 13
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Pons and Fulky were less than impressive as sophomores. Alexander is an example of a kid I wished could have redshirted as a freshman/sophmore because he developed into a really nice player for us as a Jr/Sr. One thing about Barnes that is hard to argue is that players have developed well under him.
 
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I'd love to see how Walker and ORN match up in practice. I really miss the Rocky Top League and being able to witness that up close. I get the impression that ORN is a bit more of an in the paint-like player and Walker is more finese-like and more able to slide out to the perimeter on the offensive end. But I've not watched Walker's video and ORN's role didn't progress last year.
 
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LeannaVol said:
Pons and Fulky were less than impressive as sophomores. Alexander is an example of a kid I wished could have redshirted as a freshman/sophmore because he developed into a really nice player for us as a Jr/Sr. One thing about Barnes that is hard to argue is that players have developed well under him.
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Fulk's injury really hampered his development even into his 3rd (SO) year.
 
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BruinVol said:
I can’t think of a single player that redshirted due to “lack of skill” after playing a year and that player come back and contributed for any team any where. Now surely there are a few out there so maybe you can share some success stories of players that RS for such reasons and came back and were good players. I just don’t think there are many if at all.
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Kelly Olynyk for Gonzaga.

I think some people really don't understand how strict the roles Coach Barnes gives young players (especially point guards) are. If you've played a certain way and thought a certain way on the court for most of your high level career and then you're told not to do that, it usually doesn't change in just 1 year. None of the guys have that transcendent talent that KD had where Barnes gave him a green light and built the system to feature him. These guys are brought it to be a part of the engine instead of the entire engine on this team. It's tough. Give him time to fill out, develop into his role and then let's see what he's capable of. Redshirt or not next year, I think he'll be a very good career player here at UT.
 
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LeannaVol said:
Pons and Fulky were less than impressive as sophomores. Alexander is an example of a kid I wished could have redshirted as a freshman/sophmore because he developed into a really nice player for us as a Jr/Sr. One thing about Barnes that is hard to argue is that players have developed well under him.
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Pons and fulky played as sophomores and that’s the point
 
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