Three years and counting

#26
#26
hatvol96 said:
That's one of the great fallacies of college football this decade. The reason OU beat Texas five straight times was simple. They were markedly better than the puke orange.
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What's even more amazing is that from 2001-2005, Texas has lost 7 games -- 4 of them to Oklahoma.
 
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#27
casey was truly a team guy. having said that, he always did something to tick us all off. im glad jimmy is not coming because im about clausened out. peace everybody
 
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#28
VolinArizona said:
What's even more amazing is that from 2001-2005, Texas has lost 7 games -- 4 of them to Oklahoma.
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which is why TX's run since 2001 to last year is so similar to TN's run from 93 to 97...from 93 to 97 TN lost 11 games (two of them bowl games), so 9 regular season games. 5 of those 9 were to Florida.

Here's something pretty cool...the last conference game we lost, with exception to Florida that is, was BAma in 94. We didn't lose to another SEC team until we lost to ARK in 1999. We went 4 whole years w/out losing to anyone in the SEC, except Florida.
 
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jakez4ut said:
which is why TX's run since 2001 to last year is so similar to TN's run from 93 to 97...from 93 to 97 TN lost 11 games (two of them bowl games), so 9 regular season games. 5 of those 9 were to Florida.

Here's something pretty cool...the last conference game we lost, with exception to Florida that is, was BAma in 94. We didn't lose to another SEC team until we lost to ARK in 1999. We went 4 whole years w/out losing to anyone in the SEC, except Florida.
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I'll bet Mack Brown doesn't go 7 years without a conference title as a followup.
 
#30
#30
Think Texas has good chance this year following up with conference title. Oklahoma is down a QB and no else to really knock them out.
 
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#31
hatvol96 said:
I'll bet Mack Brown doesn't go 7 years without a conference title as a followup.
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i'm sure people said the same about Phil at the time...and we have at least played for two more SEC titles since then....not using that as a crutch or anything, but it wasn't like we were completely out of the picture every year since 98. the real drop off for me started in 02...and carried over in to 03 a bit, and even in 04, while i still think that was a good year, you could still tell we weren't really up to snuff with the big boys in the nation. and then all those concerns were validated last year.

Let downs are hard to avoid...it will be interesting to see how Mack does w/out Vince Young....I think Mack suffers the same perception problem Phil does....great recruiter, not a great x's and o's guy. Mack though, has personality and isn't afraid to ham it up on camera. so how people perceive him is much better than Phil's, even when Phil was at the top.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i'm sure people said the same about Phil at the time...and we have at least played for two more SEC titles since then....not using that as a crutch or anything, but it wasn't like we were completely out of the picture every year since 98. the real drop off for me started in 02...and carried over in to 03 a bit, and even in 04, while i still think that was a good year, you could still tell we weren't really up to snuff with the big boys in the nation. and then all those concerns were validated last year.

Let downs are hard to avoid...it will be interesting to see how Mack does w/out Vince Young....I think Mack suffers the same perception problem Phil does....great recruiter, not a great x's and o's guy. Mack though, has personality and isn't afraid to ham it up on camera. so how people perceive him is much better than Phil's, even when Phil was at the top.
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People also realize Brown took over an absolute mess at UNC and had them in the Top 20 by the time he left. Look at the Heels before Brown got there and after he left. That proves the man can coach. Fulmer has no such resurrection project on his resume'.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i'm sure people said the same about Phil at the time...and we have at least played for two more SEC titles since then....not using that as a crutch or anything, but it wasn't like we were completely out of the picture every year since 98. the real drop off for me started in 02...and carried over in to 03 a bit, and even in 04, while i still think that was a good year, you could still tell we weren't really up to snuff with the big boys in the nation. and then all those concerns were validated last year.
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UT is completely out of the picture now, and there is not a photographer in sight.
 
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#34
hatvol96 said:
People also realize Brown took over an absolute mess at UNC and had them in the Top 20 by the time he left. Look at the Heels before Brown got there and after he left. That proves the man can coach. Fulmer has no such resurrection project on his resume'.
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Good point....agreed on the resurrection of UNC...
but the preception issue, for me, really comes from his time at TX and his inability to beat OK....which was so similar to CPF and his record agains Florida.


Lexvol said:
UT is completely out of the picture now, and there is not a photographer in sight.
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No arguement there.
 
#35
#35
I always said people did not appreciate Casey. He is our 2nd best QB of all time. Maybe other kids saw how we treated him and do not want to be a part of that.
 
#36
#36
Lexvol said:
Again, this marks the third year that UT is going into the fall with QB issues. In the last 8 years UT has missed opportunities with Brohm, Simms and Leake.
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I have a hard time blaming anyone for the loss of Simms and Leake except for the two prima-ballerinas themselves (Brohm was always going to Louisville, regardless of his flirtations.) If I recall correctly, Simms' uncommitment affected Ken Dorsey's recruitment as well.

That being said, I think Casey got a tremendous amount out of his talent, but we haven't really had a quarterback that puts fear into the hearts of Defensive Coordinators since '99. Ainge has the ability but has yet to show the level of play, so I agree with you Lex--it is time for him to get his butt in gear.
 
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#37
i would have liked dorsery. yeah i know he was with a loaded miami, but 38-2 as a starter is still great. his 2 losses were by 5 points and 7 points, with the second in double overtime. in the pros he isn't a star, but still a great qb in college, because it's not just like anyone could take over miami and lead them to 38 of 40 wins.
 
#38
#38
tvolsfan said:
i would have liked dorsery. yeah i know he was with a loaded miami, but 38-2 as a starter is still great. his 2 losses were by 5 points and 7 points, with the second in double overtime. in the pros he isn't a star, but still a great qb in college, because it's not just like anyone could take over miami and lead them to 38 of 40 wins.
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I don't count the second loss. Ohio State pretty much bought that championship.
 
#39
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kptvol said:
I don't count the second loss. Ohio State pretty much bought that championship.
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YES, Jim Tressel and the athletic department literally paid CASH MONEY to a group of officials to blow the call.

It wasn't as bad a call as its made out to be, but it's definitely questionable.
 
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#40
VolinArizona said:
YES, Jim Tressel and the athletic department literally paid CASH MONEY to a group of officials to blow the call.

It wasn't as bad a call as its made out to be, but it's definitely questionable.
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The pass interference call was every bit as bad as it was made out to be.
 
#42
#42
VolinArizona said:
YES, Jim Tressel and the athletic department literally paid CASH MONEY to a group of officials to blow the call.

It wasn't as bad a call as its made out to be, but it's definitely questionable.
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I was being facetious about the wrongdoings by Ohio State, but that call was so bad it blew my mind. Kind of like when Bama's QB pitched the ball to his RB while he was laying on his stomach.
 
#44
#44
hatvol96 said:
People also realize Brown took over an absolute mess at UNC and had them in the Top 20 by the time he left. Look at the Heels before Brown got there and after he left. That proves the man can coach. Fulmer has no such resurrection project on his resume'.
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Funny how geography changes perception. Most Texas fans were ready to can Mack Brown after the '03 Holiday Bowl loss because he had all that talent and couldn't do anything with it but lose big games... He and Sims took quite the beating from the locals during that OU run - and the Big 12 CG loss to Colorado in '01 certainly didn't help either of them.

The 'horns are a bit more forgiving these days - but many attribute the Championship primarily to having VY, which is probably fair. This year will be a good barometer for Mack Brown. New QB but talent elsewhere, and a typically weak big 12 schedule.
 
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#45
tidwell said:
What was an Ohio State team doing playing the invincible "U" that closely anyway?
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I don't think anyone ever said the '02 team was as good as its predecessor. Look at that Ohio State roster, especially on defense. They were really good.
 
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#50
tidwell said:
How many points was Miami favored by in that game?
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I had Ohio State at +12, but I put my play in a couple of days early. Don't remember what it was at kickoff. Everyone underestimated that Buckeye squad because they weren't flashy. They were a lot like our '98 team. Everyone acts like those teams were scrappy overachievers. NFL rosters show that's not the case.
 
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