Tim Spencer

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BaldBiker said:
They use a process?

Ok my friend. I think i've found the first thing I disagree with you on.

There is no way on earth that some of the comments posted on here are from processed thoughts. Even an irrational or illogical process requires some level of thinking.

This crap just comes out of their heads like a fart in the middle of the night. They don't even know it happened until their mind is awakened by the terrible stench of stupidity.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. Tho, it may be just a vocabulary issue.

"I'm angry. -> I'm typing."

I consider even that to be a process, tho not a preferred one.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
We'll have to agree to disagree. Tho, it may be just a vocabulary issue.

"I'm angry. -> I'm typing."

I consider even that to be a process, tho not a preferred one.
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Lol....I wasn't referring to you. Just your statement about others using a thought process. Maybe my sarcasm typing finger is broken.


Go back and read it again.
 
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BaldBiker said:
In my attempt to help in the clean up of nastiness on VN, I am going to try and keep this civil.

When posting. One should take a moment to really think about what they are going to type. Then give a meaningful statement which explains your point of view on the current situation.

Your post was just plain stupid!

Guess I failed in my attempt. :whistling:
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Hey man...A for effort!
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Fatman Photos said:
I don't blame this on CJG, I blame this on 3 WINNING SEASONS in the LAST EIGHT YEARS.

When we start winning consistantly, those 4 and 5 star players will start coming in.
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I'm not sure how to reconcile your statement with the criticisms of Jones here. CJG who had the opportunity to recruit RB's to play FOR HIM at the school where he starred as a RB... he had the opportunity to develop long relationships with those recruits... he was retained by the new coach... and yet none wanted to play for him. Yet it is apparently all Jones fault and none of Graham's? I wasn't asking for Graham to leave. But I do suspect that the reason UT didn't counter his offer was that he didn't bring the expected value in this past recruiting class. There are better RB coaches. There are better recruiters. There are at least a few that are better at both. Hopefully UT hires one.

But there's a bigger point. Most here agree you have to recruit to win. But you are saying you have to win to recruit... Aren't those mutually exclusive things?

Ole Miss hasn't won much recently. Michigan hasn't exactly been dominant lately. Auburn just had a greater collapse than UT. All beat UT out for 4/5* RB's even with the knowledge that signing with Graham could have made them the #1 RB.

Ole Miss signed 3! Bama added 4 to an already full depth chart. Auburn signed 2 plus a 3* that UT made a run at.

And you really want to say that none of the blame goes on Graham?
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm not sure how to reconcile your statement with the criticisms of Jones here. CJG who had the opportunity to recruit RB's to play FOR HIM at the school where he starred as a RB... he had the opportunity to develop long relationships with those recruits... he was retained by the new coach... and yet none wanted to play for him. Yet it is apparently all Jones fault and none of Graham's? I wasn't asking for Graham to leave. But I do suspect that the reason UT didn't counter his offer was that he didn't bring the expected value in this past recruiting class. There are better RB coaches. There are better recruiters. There are at least a few that are better at both. Hopefully UT hires one.



But there's a bigger point. Most here agree you have to recruit to win. But you are saying you have to win to recruit... Aren't those mutually exclusive things?

Ole Miss hasn't won much recently. Michigan hasn't exactly been dominant lately. Auburn just had a greater collapse than UT. All beat UT out for 4/5* RB's even with the knowledge that signing with Graham could have made them the #1 RB.

Ole Miss signed 3! Bama added 4 to an already full depth chart. Auburn signed 2 plus a 3* that UT made a run at.

And you really want to say that none of the blame goes on Graham?
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That is incorrect, we matched his offer.

Also, Ole miss is doing something sketchy in recruiting. Michigan won the Sugar Bowl last year, and Auburn won a National Title 2 years ago....
 
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RockyTop22 said:
so tell me how they get the #1 overall player, #1 OL and #1 WR. come on there still Ole Miss, you can think there clean, but i, along with many many others, do not at all believe this is "clean" recruiting.
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Kinda like we got our 5* a few years back. Connections. We recruited a young man named Nash Nance...remember him (eh hem)??? So that his best friend (DaRick Rogers!) would join him. All the huge recruits that Ole Miss snagged this year either were legacies, had a best friend that played there, or were connected somehow by a coach. It was very very good luck! They put all their eggs in one (or 4 baskets) with their top 4 gets and I will bet they won't have the same luck next year.
 
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volgrl said:
Kinda like we got our 5* a few years back. Connections. We recruited a young man named Nash Nance...remember him (eh hem)??? So that his best friend (DaRick Rogers!) would join him. All the huge recruits that Ole Miss snagged this year either were legacies, had a best friend that played there, or were connected somehow by a coach. It was very very good luck! They put all their eggs in one (or 4 baskets) with their top 4 gets and I will bet they won't have the same luck next year.
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Don't leave out Rogers new ride he got for signing with Tn if you are going to rehash the story. It was perfectly legal per NCAA bc Mr. Nance (legal guardian) bought him the car for going to Tn all bc Nance was butthurt UGA didn't offer his little boy a scholly instead of Mason.

Other point, no, they didn't have connections to all their signees. They had NO ties to Tunsil. Everyone knows how that went down.
 
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secking said:
Don't leave out Rogers new ride he got for signing with Tn if you are going to rehash the story. It was perfectly legal per NCAA bc Mr. Nance (legal guardian) bought him the car for going to Tn all bc Nance was butthurt UGA didn't offer his little boy a scholly instead of Mason.

Other point, no, they didn't have connections to all their signees. They had NO ties to Tunsil. Everyone knows how that went down.
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Oh, "everyone" does? So you agree that the others are plausible but Tunsil is the only sketchy one with no connections? Hugh Freeze was my High School teacher. He is an incredibly charismatic guy who has a preacher way about him...he is an AWESOME recruiter and a hell of a motivator. I can't say that he is 100% sketch free...but I don't believe in the cheating scandal. I don't know...maybe I am naive.
 
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RockyTop22 said:
so tell me how they get the #1 overall player, #1 OL and #1 WR. come on there still Ole Miss, you can think there clean, but i, along with many many others, do not at all believe this is "clean" recruiting.
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They got the #1 overall and no. 1 WR because two years ago Nutt had the vision to sign their older brothers.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm not sure how to reconcile your statement with the criticisms of Jones here. CJG who had the opportunity to recruit RB's to play FOR HIM at the school where he starred as a RB... he had the opportunity to develop long relationships with those recruits... he was retained by the new coach... and yet none wanted to play for him. Yet it is apparently all Jones fault and none of Graham's? I wasn't asking for Graham to leave. But I do suspect that the reason UT didn't counter his offer was that he didn't bring the expected value in this past recruiting class. There are better RB coaches. There are better recruiters. There are at least a few that are better at both. Hopefully UT hires one.

But there's a bigger point. Most here agree you have to recruit to win. But you are saying you have to win to recruit... Aren't those mutually exclusive things?

Ole Miss hasn't won much recently. Michigan hasn't exactly been dominant lately. Auburn just had a greater collapse than UT. All beat UT out for 4/5* RB's even with the knowledge that signing with Graham could have made them the #1 RB.

Ole Miss signed 3! Bama added 4 to an already full depth chart. Auburn signed 2 plus a 3* that UT made a run at.

And you really want to say that none of the blame goes on Graham?
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Let's turn the tables. What kind of RB do you think CJG could've gotten us if UTK had hired a big name at HFC? CJG was hamstrung by the BJ hire. Probably could've had Greene even with another year of Dooely. The perception that UTK made a panic hire off the bottom of thier list is the promblem right now. Only way to turn that around is to win more games than expected with one of the toughest schedules in the country.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Let's turn the tables. What kind of RB do you think CJG could've gotten us if UTK had hired a big name at HFC? CJG was hamstrung by the BJ hire. Probably could've had Greene even with another year of Dooely. The perception that UTK made a panic hire off the bottom of thier list is the promblem right now. Only way to turn that around is to win more games than expected with one of the toughest schedules in the country.
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Or to look at it another way: perception is largely caused by a media narrative that is, at least on a small scale, effected by fans calling into radio talk shows, blogs and messages boards. So, it really isn't either all Jones or Graham's fault, but we (the fans) have some culpability too for the stupidity we see fit to throw out into the universe.
 
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daj2576 said:
Or to look at it another way: perception is largely caused by a media narrative that is, at least on a small scale, effected by fans calling into radio talk shows, blogs and messages boards. So, it really isn't either all Jones or Graham's fault, but we (the fans) have some culpability too for the stupidity we see fit to throw out into the universe.
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Huh? English plz
 
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daj2576 said:
Or to look at it another way: perception is largely caused by a media narrative that is, at least on a small scale, effected by fans calling into radio talk shows, blogs and messages boards. So, it really isn't either all Jones or Graham's fault, but we (the fans) have some culpability too for the stupidity we see fit to throw out into the universe.
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Yeah. I read plenty of posts the past couple of years positing the theory that negative message board posters were to blame for Dooley's shortcomings. It was baloney then too.
 
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RockyTop22 said:
so tell me how they get the #1 overall player, #1 OL and #1 WR. come on there still Ole Miss, you can think there clean, but i, along with many many others, do not at all believe this is "clean" recruiting.
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i was referring to presenting it as fact, and using it as an argument point.
 
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daj2576 said:
Or to look at it another way: perception is largely caused by a media narrative that is, at least on a small scale, effected by fans calling into radio talk shows, blogs and messages boards. So, it really isn't either all Jones or Graham's fault, but we (the fans) have some culpability too for the stupidity we see fit to throw out into the universe.
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You will need to dumb it down for hillbilly. That's way too succinct and intelligent.
 
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volgrl said:
Oh, "everyone" does? So you agree that the others are plausible but Tunsil is the only sketchy one with no connections? Hugh Freeze was my High School teacher. He is an incredibly charismatic guy who has a preacher way about him...he is an AWESOME recruiter and a hell of a motivator. I can't say that he is 100% sketch free...but I don't believe in the cheating scandal. I don't know...maybe I am naive.
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I said everyone because it was to the point that tunsil's HS coach even had to make a statement about it. He even said things were shady and accused others of getting their piece of the pie or as he put it, hands in the cookie jar.

Also said everyone because at least three schools have turned them in, that is common knowledge. MSU, Bama, and UGA all sent letters to ole miss with the NCAA copied.

But, the NCAA is scared of their shadow and will do nothing. Only ones who get punished are the ones trying to do right.
 
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Wow! I looked at the title of this and thought I rea 'Tim Spencer'. I consistently prove to myself there is no need in reading past the first page of a thread.
 
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RockyTop22 said:
That is incorrect, we matched his offer.

Also, Ole miss is doing something sketchy in recruiting. Michigan won the Sugar Bowl last year, and Auburn won a National Title 2 years ago....
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True of Michigan. Sorry. I was thinking of the drubbing they took at the hands of Bama and losses to every legit opponent this past year.

Auburn just finished a 3-9 season only two years removed from that NC. It was an anomaly created by the talent of one player.

I keep hearing that on Ole Miss... but have not seen the proof.

Not that I don't believe you but do you have a link documenting that UT matched CJG's offer? I have not seen that claim before.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Let's turn the tables. What kind of RB do you think CJG could've gotten us if UTK had hired a big name at HFC?
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How would that demonstrate a greater market value for Graham? All it would demonstrate is the value of someone with a bigger name.
CJG was hamstrung by the BJ hire.
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LOL. No he wasn't. Jones is a coach who has recently developed lower rated RB's and put them in the NFL. Has Graham done anything comparable as a position coach? Jones as HC was a VERY easy sell to a RB.

I like Graham and did not wish for him to leave. But his claim to fame coming into UT was what? Recruiting and coaching Lattimore, right? Lattimore was a 'cock regardless and is a physical freak.
The perception that UTK made a panic hire off the bottom of thier list is the promblem right now.
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No it isn't. Every program has names swirl before a coach is hired. That may be your perception but most of the national media has reported positively on Jones. His resume is as good as several coaches who have been hired in the SEC.
Only way to turn that around is to win more games than expected with one of the toughest schedules in the country.
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On this we agree. I don't think Jones can afford to wait for his "own players" or year 2 or 3. He will have a better roster this year than next and a better shot at winning even with a more difficult schedule.

If he does not win more than expected and prove he deserves a year 4 in '13 then he will be trying to save his job with a roster dependent on alot of young players in '15.
 
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volunteers4life said:
There's been some interesting non-Spencer material since the first pg but its been a while since hes been mentioned in this thread.
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I think he's an upgrade as a coach.

I am not sure Graham was an ace recruiter and do not know whether Spencer would be one or not.

Of the few names mentioned, I personally think he seems like the best.
 
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