TN all time best

[BernardKingGOAT]

Thought Micheal Brooks played point some .

He did. Manned the position his senior season

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

He did. Manned the position his senior season

Fred Jenkins and Tony White played a lot of PG that year. Fred was maybe our first Point/Forward. Maybe Bill Justus but he was mostly a 3 with Bill Hann and Jimmy England as the primary 1 and 2. Bobby Croft at the 5 and Don Johnson as the power forward spot.

Fred was injured quite a bit and missed a lot of games.

I really liked the early guard pairs that Devoe had. Tyrone Beaman and Michael Brooks. Then Fred Jenkins and Tony White. Fred was a really good passer and defender. Fred Jenkins reminds me of Mashack. Steve Ray and Gary Carter were an excellent combination to kick start Devoe’s tenure. Ray was kind of Ernie G light. Too bad Gary Carter went knucklehead on us instead of being a highly disciplined Devoe/Bobby Knight type of mainstay.

 

[Volfan1000]

Ernie Grunfield
Bernard King
Dale Ellis
Chris Lofton
Grant Williams

Coach Rick Barnes - Coach

1st Team

PG- C.J. Watson
SG- Dalton Knecht
SF- Ernie Grunfeld
PF- Bernard King
C- Tom Boerwinkle

Coach- Ray Mears

2nd Team

PG- Tony White
SG- Chris Lofton
SF- Allan Houston
PF- Reggie Johnson
C- C.J. Black

Coach- Rick Barnes

3rd Team

PG- Rodney Carter
SG- Lang Wiseman
SF- Dyron Nix
PF- Tobias Harris
C- Grant Williams

Coach- Bruce Pearl

Thoughts from the board and who do you think should be on these teams?

 

[Volfan1000]

Fred Jenkins and Tony White played a lot of PG that year. Fred was maybe our first Point/Forward. Maybe Bill Justus but he was mostly a 3 with Bill Hann and Jimmy England as the primary 1 and 2. Bobby Croft at the 5 and Don Johnson as the power forward spot.

Fred was injured quite a bit and missed a lot of games.

I really liked the early guard pairs that Devoe had. Tyrone Beaman and Michael Brooks. Then Fred Jenkins and Tony White. Fred was a really good passer and defender. Fred Jenkins reminds me of Mashack. Steve Ray and Gary Carter were an excellent combination to kick start Devoe’s tenure. Ray was kind of Ernie G light. Too bad Gary Carter went knucklehead on us instead of being a highly disciplined Devoe/Bobby Knight type of mainstay.

Greg Bell was a hell of a shooter that was always in Devoe's doghouse as was Ed Gray.

They both transferred elsewhere.

 

[VolCalls]

1st Team

PG- C.J. Watson
SG- Dalton Knecht
SF- Ernie Grunfeld
PF- Bernard King
C- Tom Boerwinkle

Coach- Ray Mears

2nd Team

PG- Tony White
SG- Chris Lofton
SF- Allan Houston
PF- Reggie Johnson
C- C.J. Black

Coach- Rick Barnes

3rd Team

PG- Rodney Carter
SG- Lang Wiseman
SF- Dyron Nix
PF- Tobias Harris
C- Grant Williams

Coach- Bruce Pearl

Thoughts from the board and who do you think should be on these teams?

The school’s all-time leading scorer on the 2nd team? I don’t think there’s a program in America who would do that.

 

[Volfan1000]

The school’s all-time leading scorer on the 2nd team? I don’t think there’s a program in America who would do that.

Tennessee has had so many terrific shooting guards and small forwards in their history that the only thing that seperates Knecht and Houston is that Knecht by far has the better supporting cast around him while Houston was option A, B and C on some terrible Tennessee teams.

 

[walkenvol]

Ron Slay over CJ Black maybe?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Tennessee has had so many terrific shooting guards and small forwards in their history that the only thing that seperates Knecht and Houston is that Knecht by far has the better supporting cast around him while Houston was option A, B and C on some terrible Tennessee teams.

Where's Dale?

 

[TennTom]

Where's Dale?

That's quite an omission. Holy crap...

 

[NighthawkVol]

To me it's tiers.

BK exists on his own tier.

Then Ernie/Ellis a in the next tier.

Then Houston, White, Lofton, Johnson, Widby, and Williams would be my 3rd tier.

Knecht at 3 years here doing what he is this season probably lands in tier two. But if he only stays one, he'll be in a 3/4 tier with guys who had exceptional single seasons imo.

Houston is consistently undervalued by Tennessee fans. He's the 2nd all time leading scorer in SEC history behind Maravich. He's easily in the 2nd tier and > Ellis. Probably > Grunfeld too. Houston takes a backseat to King, and that's it.

 

[sami]

Thought Micheal Brooks played point some .

Brooks was mainly the shooting guard on the early '80's Dale Ellis teams after Carter. Tyrone Beaman was the primary PG on those teams. Brooks was really the only other player close to being an offensive threat, at least he was the only player besides Ellis to average in double figures scoring in '82-'83. Which really made what Ellis did without the benefit of a 3-pt. shot that much more impressive.

To me, he's on the proverbial "Tier 1" along with Bernard. Being lucky enough to see Dale's career here in person was pretty amazing.

 

[Stoked]

I'm sorry but any "all time" list that doesn't include Houston is laughable. Him and Bernard King were the best to ever put on a UT jersey.

Houston was doing what Knecht was doing as a freshman. Scored 43 points vs Shaq's LSU as a FRESHMAN!

 

[KTrain]

Thought Micheal Brooks played point some .

Brooks shot long bombs almost at the half-court line it was insane for that era when there was no 3 pointer. He crossed the halfcourt line, when he was in a zone as a shooter you'd better guard him.

 

[KTrain]

The best 1 year player we have ever had and I don't think he is mentioned in this thread, didn't read it all. So with DK a 1 year player unless the Vols go F4 he may be forgotten by most of the drive-by fans. Tobias Harris one of the best players to wear a Vol uniform in the 2010-11 season is mostly forgotten by Vol fans. He is in his 21st or 22nd season in NBA and is a afterthought with Vol fans. Probably the longest tenured career by a former Vol.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

The best 1 year player we have ever had and I don't think he is mentioned in this thread, didn't read it all. So with DK a 1 year player unless the Vols go F4 he may be forgotten by most of the drive-by fans. Tobias Harris one of the best players to wear a Vol uniform in the 2010-11 season is mostly forgotten by Vol fans. He is in his 21st or 22nd season in NBA and is a afterthought with Vol fans. Probably the longest tenured career by a former Vol.

Harris was on that last Pearl team that Pearl completely deflated with after the news came out. They were on a roll. Had won the preseason NIT, we're ranked in the top 5 and then lost a bunch of their remaining games. Barely got into the tournament, then lost by 30+ in the first round

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Brooks was mainly the shooting guard on the early '80's Dale Ellis teams after Carter. Tyrone Beaman was the primary PG on those teams. Brooks was really the only other player close to being an offensive threat, at least he was the only player besides Ellis to average in double figures scoring in '82-'83. Which really made what Ellis did without the benefit of a 3-pt. shot that much more impressive.

To me, he's on the proverbial "Tier 1" along with Bernard. Being lucky enough to see Dale's career here in person was pretty amazing.

He had to sit out a year for grades and then came back for his senior season and played PG

 

[sami]

The best 1 year player we have ever had and I don't think he is mentioned in this thread, didn't read it all. So with DK a 1 year player unless the Vols go F4 he may be forgotten by most of the drive-by fans. Tobias Harris one of the best players to wear a Vol uniform in the 2010-11 season is mostly forgotten by Vol fans. He is in his 21st or 22nd season in NBA and is a afterthought with Vol fans. Probably the longest tenured career by a former Vol.

Harris isn't even close to the player that Knecht is, which is why he's an afterthought. He was here for one season which turned into a disaster and went on to a journeyman (if endless) NBA career.

The impact that Knecht has had, the ability to be at his best in the biggest spots, is something that separates DK from all but the most elite UT players and will resonate long after his time here. Of course, a serious March run would certainly help there.

I'm a Sixers fan who has endured Harris' mediocrity for five seasons now after their dreadful decision to give him a max contract, something that has crippled their ability (along with other management incompetence) to field a legitimate team around Embiid.

 

[KTrain]

Harris isn't even close to the player that Knecht is, which is why he's an afterthought. He was here for one season which turned into a disaster and went on to a journeyman (if endless) NBA career. The impact that Knecht has had, the ability to be at his best in the biggest spots, is something that separates DK from all but the most elite UT players and will resonate long after his time here.

I'm a Sixers fan who has endured Harris' mediocrity for five seasons now after their dreadful decision to give him a max contract, something that has crippled their ability (along with other management incompetence) to field a legitimate team around Embiid.

Well, you don't fall into the group im talking about, I mean if you are a NBA fan and watch multiple games you have to be a true basketball fan. Some of the NBA is just unwatchable. I think if DK could do a 20+ year NBA career he'd take it, I think he will translate well but i've been fooled before by some top college players, the NBA grind is a lot different than College ball.

 

[walkenvol]

The best 1 year player we have ever had and I don't think he is mentioned in this thread, didn't read it all. So with DK a 1 year player unless the Vols go F4 he may be forgotten by most of the drive-by fans. Tobias Harris one of the best players to wear a Vol uniform in the 2010-11 season is mostly forgotten by Vol fans. He is in his 21st or 22nd season in NBA and is an afterthought with Vol fans. Probably the longest tenured career by a former Vol.

His stats from that 1 season don’t support your position

 

[KTrain]

His stats from that 1 season don’t support your position

Who are the 1 season players that top him as the go to player. I know Punter had good numbers but he was here 2 . I mean you may be right but I just don't remember many 1 and dones at UT, Kennedy Chandler but he can hardly make a NBA team and was not the top player on that team. Harris made 2nd team All American and 2nd team All SEC and 20 + years in NBA more than any Vol ever but I could be wrong he was the central player on that 2010 team.

 

[walkenvol]

Who are the 1 season players that top him as the go to player. I know Punter had good numbers but he was here 2 . I mean you may be right but I just don't remember many 1 and dones at UT, Kennedy Chandler but he can hardly make a NBA team and was not the top player on that team. Harris made 2nd team All American and 2nd team All SEC and 20 + years in NBA more than any Vol ever but I could be wrong he was the central player on that 2010 team.

I understood you were suggesting he should be on the all time best list for play while at UT which his numbers don’t support. If the discussion is all time best career of ex UT players then he certainly would make that list

 

[KTrain]

I understood you were suggesting he should be on the all time best list for play while at UT which his numbers don’t support. If the discussion is all time best career of ex UT players then he certainly would make that list

I'm just saying he's not even mentioned in the thread and some so so players that had very good long careers here. They were mentioned because they are more a part of the program and in the minds of the fans, it is what it is. Probably different at UK they have multiple 1 and dones probably getting close to a 100. I'm basically saying the only Vol to have 20+ years in the NBA is not even an afterthought to most of the Vol fans.

 

[UTodd01]

Not "the best" but the back court combo of Brandon Wharton and Tony Harris is my all time favorite.

 

[VolArmy74]

Houston is consistently undervalued by Tennessee fans. He's the 2nd all time leading scorer in SEC history behind Maravich. He's easily in the 2nd tier and > Ellis. Probably > Grunfeld too. Houston takes a backseat to King, and that's it.

I love Houston but his peak was simply lower than either of those guys here. We played less games when they played vs Houston. Grunfeld played 27 fewer games, had they had the same number of games, Ernie outscores Houston, with a three-point line he does so by a significant margin. Ellis shooting 60 percent from the field for his career is insane. He went on to be the all-time leading NBA 3 point shooter during his career and shot over 40 percent from that range. He'd have been able to average probably 27-30 a game here with a three point line. Ellis and King are the only former Vols to ever average more than 25 points per game in the NBA for a season and both did it for multiple seasons.

 

[The Dog]

I'm just saying he's not even mentioned in the thread and some so so players that had very good long careers here. They were mentioned because they are more a part of the program and in the minds of the fans, it is what it is. Probably different at UK they have multiple 1 and dones probably getting close to a 100. I'm basically saying the only Vol to have 20+ years in the NBA is not even an afterthought to most of the Vol fans.

Tobias has NOT been in the NBA for 20 years, over 10, yes. But, nowhere near 20+ years.

Edit: I looked it up, this is Harris 13th season