'24 TN DB Boo Carter (Tennessee)

Wouldn't call it razor thin. Squirrel has to stay, Thornton could come back, will have a lot of talented young receivers, and will probably get someone from the portal for the outside. Staff has gotten one portal wideout every year (Payton, Bru, Thornton)
We have 2 young talented WRs. Leacock has a lot of potential and Webb is a good 50/50 ball catcher. Nimrod is just kinda “meh”. None of the 3 were particularly impressive in the spring game against a secondary that was atrocious last year that wasn’t even at full health. When your most impressive pass catcher in a spring game is a true freshman coming off an injury your WR room outside of the 4 starters isn’t very good
 
We have 2 young talented WRs. Leacock has a lot of potential and Webb is a good 50/50 ball catcher. Nimrod is just kinda “meh”. None of the 3 were particularly impressive in the spring game against a secondary that was atrocious last year that wasn’t even at full health. When your most impressive pass catcher in a spring game is a true freshman coming off an injury your WR room outside of the 4 starters isn’t very good
In one thread you talk about NOT referencing the spring game.

Now you're referencing it to strengthen your "non-issue" point of a weak WR room.

Which is it??
 
We have 2 young talented WRs. Leacock has a lot of potential and Webb is a good 50/50 ball catcher. Nimrod is just kinda “meh”. None of the 3 were particularly impressive in the spring game against a secondary that was atrocious last year that wasn’t even at full health. When your most impressive pass catcher in a spring game is a true freshman coming off an injury your WR room outside of the 4 starters isn’t very good
Lol Webb, Nimrod and Leacock haven't played a down in an actual game, but how dare they not torch a bunch of 4th and 5th year SEC DB's in a spring game 🤣
 
I have talked to a coach of his.
No. You by your own words talked to a coach who used to coach at his school who you claim is "close" to him.

Here's the skinny. Most kids because of the recruiting sites and media tell very, very few people what they're thinking. The ones they trust with up to date information... aren't the types who then go and blab it to people like you. That is the truth regardless of who he picks or why.

I’m not making assumptions. Michigan is the only school giving him the opportunity to play offense.
Yes. You are making assumptions. You always do and then act like you have some kind of insider knowledge others don't have or else have expertise in watching a kid's "film" that you very obviously don't have.

Heupel likely doesn’t even have to promise him anything. A simple “we like you most as a DB, but we’ll give you the chance to prove yourself on offense in spring practice if that’s where you want to play” would work. That’s essentially the pitch Michigan is giving him and according to one of his coaches that’s the main reason it was a close recruitment going into his OV
You nor this other guy have ANY idea what Heupel is or is not saying to this kid... or any other kid. You would have to be in the room.

Now to show that you are "loose" with the facts... you've gone from a former coach to "one of his coaches". You've also declared that it would be some major failure of the staff if this kid chooses another school and that he is sure to be a "special" player.

UT appears to be recruiting him the right way in spite of your "expert" criticism. They're recruiting him in a way that doesn't set him up to be entitled or prima donna if he signs with UT and in a way that they can be consistent with in future recruitments. Get over yourself and actually learn something about how these things work and why things are done the way they're done.

Butch Jones would have made him promises. Derek Dooley would have used your approach. The fact that they didn't have the spine to consistently do the right thing is a big part of both failures.
 
We have 2 young talented WRs. Leacock has a lot of potential and Webb is a good 50/50 ball catcher. Nimrod is just kinda “meh”. None of the 3 were particularly impressive in the spring game against a secondary that was atrocious last year that wasn’t even at full health. When your most impressive pass catcher in a spring game is a true freshman coming off an injury your WR room outside of the 4 starters isn’t very good
I truly hope you're about 13 years old. No one older than that should be this ignorant.

Spring games don't show everything coaches see. They're typically very vanilla scheme wise. Often things are a continuation of work coaches have done on player or unit weaknesses. Heading into this season... this will be Heupel's strongest WR room to date. Year one they had V Jones who had never approached his potential and Tillman who had 8 catches for 114 yds in 3 years. They added Payton who was pretty much an afterthought for MSU. That WR room didn't look good at all. Behind them you had Hyatt who looked like a bust and took another year to get his head right. After those 4... there were guys like Calloway who were trash time players.

Once again... you are absolutely clueless while acting like you know everything.
 
We have 2 young talented WRs. Leacock has a lot of potential and Webb is a good 50/50 ball catcher. Nimrod is just kinda “meh”. None of the 3 were particularly impressive in the spring game against a secondary that was atrocious last year that wasn’t even at full health. When your most impressive pass catcher in a spring game is a true freshman coming off an injury your WR room outside of the 4 starters isn’t very good



i know youre wrong bc they like Nimrod wayyyyy more than you think. In fact, its been said by AP and those guys before. You got to let kids develop.


Tillman was a non factor for 3 yrs. Hyatt was about unplayable in year 2 and dropped everything. Velus was not productive until Heup showed up. Tillman barely played last yr and it didnt stop the show at all as they beat Florida, LSU, Bama, Clemson, Mizzou without him. Keyton been here forever and hes just now coming into his own. Fant was nowhere to be found for 4 years until Heup found a way to utilize his skillset and it saved his career. Let them develop.

And ill tell you right now Oregon did not want to lose Thornton. Right now he has the best WR room hes had yet going into a season. This is also the first yr hes had two tight ends with real catch and run potential (Castles/Davis).
 
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I truly hope you're about 13 years old. No one older than that should be this ignorant.

Spring games don't show everything coaches see. They're typically very vanilla scheme wise. Often things are a continuation of work coaches have done on player or unit weaknesses. Heading into this season... this will be Heupel's strongest WR room to date. Year one they had V Jones who had never approached his potential and Tillman who had 8 catches for 114 yds in 3 years. They added Payton who was pretty much an afterthought for MSU. That WR room didn't look good at all. Behind them you had Hyatt who looked like a bust and took another year to get his head right. After those 4... there were guys like Calloway who were trash time players.

Once again... you are absolutely clueless while acting like you know everything.
Harrison Bailey and Jack Jancek would have been returning starters using Spring Game Science.
 
I truly hope you're about 13 years old. No one older than that should be this ignorant.

Spring games don't show everything coaches see. They're typically very vanilla scheme wise. Often things are a continuation of work coaches have done on player or unit weaknesses. Heading into this season... this will be Heupel's strongest WR room to date. Year one they had V Jones who had never approached his potential and Tillman who had 8 catches for 114 yds in 3 years. They added Payton who was pretty much an afterthought for MSU. That WR room didn't look good at all. Behind them you had Hyatt who looked like a bust and took another year to get his head right. After those 4... there were guys like Calloway who were trash time players.

Once again... you are absolutely clueless while acting like you know everything.
I do no everything.
 
Tennessee might be too far ahead - or maybe not - because Carter loved his visit to Michigan this past weekend and the coaches told him he could be the next
Jabrill Peppers in Ann Arbor. The Chattanooga (Tenn.) Brainerd standout also hit it off with
Jacob Oden, Bryce West and others on the visit and loved how the staff treated his family. The Vols are definitely up there but Michigan made its move, although Carter had set his commitment date prior to the trip, which could be telling”

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Tennessee might be too far ahead - or maybe not - because Carter loved his visit to Michigan this past weekend and the coaches told him he could be the next
Jabrill Peppers in Ann Arbor. The Chattanooga (Tenn.) Brainerd standout also hit it off with
Jacob Oden, Bryce West and others on the visit and loved how the staff treated his family. The Vols are definitely up there but Michigan made its move, although Carter had set his commitment date prior to the trip, which could be telling”

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Tennessee might be too far ahead - or maybe not - because Carter loved his visit to Michigan this past weekend and the coaches told him he could be the next
Jabrill Peppers in Ann Arbor. The Chattanooga (Tenn.) Brainerd standout also hit it off with
Jacob Oden, Bryce West and others on the visit and loved how the staff treated his family. The Vols are definitely up there but Michigan made its move, although Carter had set his commitment date prior to the trip, which could be telling”

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It doesn't even have his high school correct. He transferred to Bradley Central about 2 weeks ago and is going through workouts right now. Crap reporting from Rivals. No wonder Volquest ditched Rivals for On3.
 
I truly hope you're about 13 years old. No one older than that should be this ignorant.

Spring games don't show everything coaches see. They're typically very vanilla scheme wise. Often things are a continuation of work coaches have done on player or unit weaknesses. Heading into this season... this will be Heupel's strongest WR room to date. Year one they had V Jones who had never approached his potential and Tillman who had 8 catches for 114 yds in 3 years. They added Payton who was pretty much an afterthought for MSU. That WR room didn't look good at all. Behind them you had Hyatt who looked like a bust and took another year to get his head right. After those 4... there were guys like Calloway who were trash time players.

Once again... you are absolutely clueless while acting like you know everything.
Hyatt never looked like a bust. It was clear from his freshman year that he was going to be a solid WR at the very least and he made a couple of big time catches in the Music City Bowl that were a pretty clear indicator he could play. He just didn’t have the opportunity to showcase his talent because the staff rolls with their top 3 WRs unless someone gets hurt. Callaway also wasn’t a garbage player. Under Heupel he had maybe 2-3 targets that I can recall. One was about a 40-50 yard catch and run up the sideline for a touchdown and it looked like we had a stud in the making. Then the next week he screwed up on a 4th down route against Florida and never saw the field again. He has plenty of talent. But the Akron game killed any chance he ever had at becoming a star here. I also think you’re short selling Walker Merrill as well as he seemingly never did anything but score TDs when he was targeted. I throughly disagree with the notion that this years WR room is more talented than last years. I think Thornton has a lot of potential, but he struggled to stay on the field at Oregon for a reason and it’s going to be tough for him to be better than a healthy Cedric Tillman IMO. Tillman, Hyatt, Bru, Keyton, Squirrel, Merrill, and Calloway > Bru, Keyton, Squirrel, and Thornton. None of the other guys in our WR room have played a meaningful down of college football and it wouldn’t surprise the least bit of only 1 of them did after this season simply based on the fact unless there are injuries the number 5 and 6 WRs would have a better chance at hitting the lottery than getting a snap outside of mop up duty. Also the whole idea that we were running “vanilla schemes” is preposterous. This coaching staff has zero reason to fear Virginia’s defense. Halzle even dialed up a deep ball the first play of the game in hopes to get a TD to fire the crowd up. Joe overthrew it though. Regardless if our WR room is so talented they should’ve been able to beat the backups of one of the worst secondaries in the country
 
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i know youre wrong bc they like Nimrod wayyyyy more than you think. In fact, its been said by AP and those guys before. You got to let kids develop.


Tillman was a non factor for 3 yrs. Hyatt was about unplayable in year 2 and dropped everything. Velus was not productive until Heup showed up. Tillman barely played last yr and it didnt stop the show at all as they beat Florida, LSU, Bama, Clemson, Mizzou without him. Keyton been here forever and hes just now coming into his own. Fant was nowhere to be found for 4 years until Heup found a way to utilize his skillset and it saved his career. Let them develop.

And ill tell you right now Oregon did not want to lose Thornton. Right now he has the best WR room hes had yet going into a season. This is also the first yr hes had two tight ends with real catch and run potential (Castles/Davis).
They also said they really liked Jimmy Holiday last season too and I think he caught 5 passes all season
 
Hyatt never looked like a bust. It was clear from his freshman year that he was going to be a solid WR at the very least and he made a couple of big time catches in the Music City Bowl that were a pretty clear indicator he could play. He just didn’t have the opportunity to showcase his talent because the staff rolls with their top 3 WRs unless someone gets hurt. Callaway also wasn’t a garbage player. Under Heupel he had maybe 2-3 targets that I can recall. One was about a 40-50 yard catch and run up the sideline for a touchdown and it looked like we had a stud in the making. Then the next week he screwed up on a 4th down route against Florida and never saw the field again. He has plenty of talent. But the Akron game killed any chance he ever had at becoming a star here. I also think you’re short selling Walker Merrill as well as he seemingly never did anything but score TDs when he was targeted. I throughly disagree with the notion that this years WR room is more talented than last years. I think Thornton has a lot of potential, but he struggled to stay on the field at Oregon for a reason and it’s going to be tough for him to be better than a healthy Cedric Tillman IMO. Tillman, Hyatt, Bru, Keyton, Squirrel, Merrill, and Calloway > Bru, Keyton, Squirrel, and Thornton. None of the other guys in our WR room have played a meaningful down of college football and it wouldn’t surprise the least bit of only 1 of them did after this season simply based on the fact unless there are injuries the number 5 and 6 WRs would have a better chance at hitting the lottery than getting a snap outside of mop up duty. Also the whole idea that we were running “vanilla schemes” is preposterous. This coaching staff has zero reason to fear Virginia’s defense. Halzle even dialed up a deep ball the first play of the game in hopes to get a TD to fire the crowd up. Joe overthrew it though. Regardless if our WR room is so talented they should’ve been able to beat the backups of one of the worst secondaries in the country

no they freaking don't. I broke this down in excruciating detail in the FF. Heupel is actually amazingly pretty dead on with the average of the best passing teams. UT fans need to stop selling this bs.

the only statistic that we are far off the mark from the best passing teams was our Biletnikoff winning WR caught "too many" TDs against Bama. It may be me, but I see that as a selling point.

the only thing holding back touches is that we have relatively fewer passes than other top passing teams. We throw the ball at a Top 50 rate, we PRODUCE at a Top 5 rate. that is the only thing "holding" guys back, our scheme is so dang good we don't have as many touches as other teams. Which means we don't need to get a ton of WRs thru recruiting.
 
Hyatt never looked like a bust.
Yeah. He did. He had stone hands. His route running was undisciplined. He couldn't get separation. And until last year... his attitude and work ethic held him back. That's according to Heupel and Hyatt himself.

Callaway also wasn’t a garbage player.
He wasn't garbage. He played almost exclusively in garbage time. In three years, he caught passes in 6 games. Akron 2-20, Pitt 3-59, TTU 1-27, UF 1-3, Auburn 1-6, Vandy 1-14. I was actually disappointed that he or Holliday weren't able to step up and earn PT. They didn't. It wasn't just one mistake that kept him off the field. UT had better options.

I also think you’re short selling Walker Merrill as well as he seemingly never did anything but score TDs when he was targeted.
I liked him and especially since he had a rapport with Milton. But supposedly he had some personal and health issues and chose a change in venue. He was looking up at better players and wanted to play sooner. That is going to happen in the portal era.

I throughly disagree with the notion that this years WR room is more talented than last years.
That's because you lack the wisdom to think about last year as it looked on June 13, 2022. They had Tillman and no one else who had proven they could compete in the SEC including Hyatt. Talent is a hard call but that's not what I said. I said "strongest". They have more guys with the talent to play and contribute. They have guys who know the system. They return two guys who have performed against top talent. I don't know anything about Thornton except the excitement the staff seemed to have about him. Leacock is very talented and had moments in the spring. In spite of you lifting your leg on them, Nimrod and Webb are guys that according to reports show a lot of promise.

It isn't just the bodies but also the maturity of the program itself.

I think Thornton has a lot of potential, but he struggled to stay on the field at Oregon for a reason and it’s going to be tough for him to be better than a healthy Cedric Tillman IMO.
Tillman wasn't healthy. I have no idea about Thornton except that the coaches and beat writers were pretty excited by what they saw. Velus Jones had 280 yds his first year at UT under Pruitt. A career high at the time. Payton was even worse transferring in. Tillman had a grand total of 8 catches before Heupel.

If Thornton can play, Heupel will get him the ball.

Tillman, Hyatt, Bru, Keyton, Squirrel, Merrill, and Calloway > Bru, Keyton, Squirrel, and Thornton.
That's so dumb. Truly it is. You are viewing "past tense" performance vs potential. You have to look at apples to apples. At this time last year, it was Tillman. There was some excitement about McCoy. But not much for Hyatt who again... was a bust to that point.

None of the other guys in our WR room have played a meaningful down of college football and it wouldn’t surprise the least bit of only 1 of them did after this season simply based on the fact unless there are injuries the number 5 and 6 WRs would have a better chance at hitting the lottery than getting a snap outside of mop up duty. Also the whole idea that we were running “vanilla schemes” is preposterous. This coaching staff has zero reason to fear Virginia’s defense. Halzle even dialed up a deep ball the first play of the game in hopes to get a TD to fire the crowd up. Joe overthrew it though. Regardless if our WR room is so talented they should’ve been able to beat the backups of one of the worst secondaries in the country
Again... LOL... if you go back to this point last year and look forward it was WORSE, not better.
 
no they freaking don't. I broke this down in excruciating detail in the FF. Heupel is actually amazingly pretty dead on with the average of the best passing teams. UT fans need to stop selling this bs.

the only statistic that we are far off the mark from the best passing teams was our Biletnikoff winning WR caught "too many" TDs against Bama. It may be me, but I see that as a selling point.

the only thing holding back touches is that we have relatively fewer passes than other top passing teams. We throw the ball at a Top 50 rate, we PRODUCE at a Top 5 rate. that is the only thing "holding" guys back, our scheme is so dang good we don't have as many touches as other teams. Which means we don't need to get a ton of WRs thru recruiting.

Imagine griping about having the best offense in the country

People know everything…
 
Tennessee might be too far ahead - or maybe not - because Carter loved his visit to Michigan this past weekend and the coaches told him he could be the next
Jabrill Peppers in Ann Arbor. The Chattanooga (Tenn.) Brainerd standout also hit it off with
Jacob Oden, Bryce West and others on the visit and loved how the staff treated his family. The Vols are definitely up there but Michigan made its move, although Carter had set his commitment date prior to the trip, which could be telling”

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Cool let’s just tell him he’s the next Eric Berry then
 

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