'24 TN DL Carson Gentle (Tennessee)

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SoilVol said:
It was so hard to keep heavyweights man. Even 220s can be difficult to retain sometimes.
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It's not only heavyweights. Every football I've had on the wrestling team the past few years have quit on me. They want the 6 seconds of action 1 minute of rest. They can't handle 2 minutes of action 10 seconds of rest
 
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Rishvol said:
It's not only heavyweights. Every football I've had on the wrestling team the past few years have quit on me. They want the 6 seconds of action 1 minute of rest. They can't handle 2 minutes of action 10 seconds of rest
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What school are you at, if I may ask?

And good luck at sectionals this weekend
 
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Rishvol said:
It's not only heavyweights. Every football I've had on the wrestling team the past few years have quit on me. They want the 6 seconds of action 1 minute of rest. They can't handle 2 minutes of action 10 seconds of rest
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Wrestling is a tough endurance sport. My cousin was an outstanding HW wrestler while being an all state FB player. Both are tough sports. A lot of football guys wrestle. I never wanted to cause I didn’t want to lose weight because of FB.

Wrestling, other than HW, is against someone your own size. If your opponent is a lot better than you, it’s usually over fairly quick. In FB, you may be outmanned by a large degree & your opponent gets to physically beat your ass for about 2 hours.
 
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wmcovol said:
Wrestling is a tough endurance sport. My cousin was an outstanding HW wrestler while being an all state FB player. Both are tough sports. A lot of football guys wrestle. I never wanted to cause I didn’t want to lose weight because of FB.

Wrestling, other than HW, is against someone your own size. If your opponent is a lot better than you, it’s usually over fairly quick. In FB, you may be outmanned by a large degree & your opponent gets to physically beat your ass for about 2 hours.
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We've been trying to get a 235 or 245 and make heavyweight 290 or 300 for years. NFHS won't do it though. Imo too many lower weights and not enough upper weights
 
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Rishvol said:
We've been trying to get a 235 or 245 and make heavyweight 290 or 300 for years. NFHS won't do it though. Imo too many lower weights and not enough upper weights
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I remember the wrestling tournaments where you had to wrestle 3 times in a day. That was brutal and you had to be in extreme shape to do it.

Remember , Carson played both sides of the ball in football. That is tough as well. I’m sure Carson will be able to put on healthy weight once wrestling is over.
 
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SoilVol said:
You could say the same thing for football, but its the opposite direction. You often see linemen lose weight after they retire from football because their playing weight is 1. Unnatural and 2. Unhealthy. How many time do we hear about guys having to gorge themselves to get UP to football weight? It was a topic for Pearce and even a couple pages back for Gentle.
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thats over months or an offseason in football while you aren't competing. wrestling everyone has to drop ~10lb via starvation and sweat kits in a week, and then wrestle at the end of the week, is no where near the same realm. I had a coach who wanted kids to lose more than that. I was pretty much always the smallest guy and he wanted me to lose weight too. 5lbs off a 200+ guy is nothing, 5lbs off a 100lber with no body fat is risky business.

dropping wrestling is probably the healthies thing I have ever done, and that includes losing 150lbs after ballooning up to 350 in college.
 
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LouderVol said:
thats over months or an offseason in football while you aren't competing. wrestling everyone has to drop ~10lb via starvation and sweat kits in a week, and then wrestle at the end of the week, is no where near the same realm. I had a coach who wanted kids to lose more than that. I was pretty much always the smallest guy and he wanted me to lose weight too. 5lbs off a 200+ guy is nothing, 5lbs off a 100lber with no body fat is risky business.

dropping wrestling is probably the healthies thing I have ever done, and that includes losing 150lbs after ballooning up to 350 in college.
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There’s no arguing that some high school wrestlers focus way too much energy on weight management. In my experience, better results are found in focusing their energies on skill improvements while competing at the weight their body settles into with the associated conditioning along with a healthy diet. I found that 10-15 pounds would disappear after a month or more of wrestling practice after football finished without any crazy weight management. The sport will lean you up.
 
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LouderVol said:
thats over months or an offseason in football while you aren't competing. wrestling everyone has to drop ~10lb via starvation and sweat kits in a week, and then wrestle at the end of the week, is no where near the same realm. I had a coach who wanted kids to lose more than that. I was pretty much always the smallest guy and he wanted me to lose weight too. 5lbs off a 200+ guy is nothing, 5lbs off a 100lber with no body fat is risky business.

dropping wrestling is probably the healthies thing I have ever done, and that includes losing 150lbs after ballooning up to 350 in college.
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Your coach wasn't a good person, and that stuff isn't allowed anymore. Each wrestler has a limit that the state sets based on body fat % and hydration that makes it illegal to compete below a certain weigh class. We also have a weight loss chart that regulates something like a half a pound per day, so if you weigh in at 145 on Tuesday you can't wrestle 138 on Saturday.

Sorry about your experience, and in your situation it probably was healthiest for you to step away but it's not like that across the board or for every person.
 
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SoilVol said:
Your coach wasn't a good person, and that stuff isn't allowed anymore. Each wrestler has a limit that the state sets based on body fat % and hydration that makes it illegal to compete below a certain weigh class. We also have a weight loss chart that regulates something like a half a pound per day, so if you weigh in at 145 on Tuesday you can't wrestle 138 on Saturday.

Sorry about your experience, and in your situation it probably was healthiest for you to step away but it's not like that across the board or for every person.
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heck it was ~25 years ago when I wrestled, I hope things have changed in that time, but it certainly was wide spread at the time. certainly not *every* coach, but if you were competing at a state level it was almost ubiquitous.
 
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LouderVol said:
heck it was ~25 years ago when I wrestled, I hope things have changed in that time, but it certainly was wide spread at the time. certainly not *every* coach, but if you were competing at a state level it was almost ubiquitous.
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Back when we wrestled, we took diuretics and things to make sure we took a crap, all before weigh in.
 
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Franklin_Vol09 said:
Back when we wrestled, we took diuretics and things to make sure we took a crap, all before weigh in.
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I competed in HS over 40 years ago and never once took a diuretic or laxative. Had sons who competed 15-20 years ago and they never did either. Never starved ourselves either. Ate healthy reasonable portions and exercised. Whoever encouraged you to do that was an idiot. Hopefully athletes, coaches, and parents are way more educated today and that no longer happens. Sorry it happened to you as it probably made you hate the sport.
 
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walkenvol said:
I competed in HS over 40 years ago and never once took a diuretic or laxative. Had sons who competed 15-20 years ago and they never did either. Never starved ourselves either. Ate healthy reasonable portions and exercised. Whoever encouraged you to do that was an idiot. Hopefully athletes, coaches, and parents are way more educated today and that no longer happens. Sorry it happened to you as it probably made you hate the sport.
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Can confirm. And can confirm back 3 generations.

Not to mention, pee weighs more than solid waste. If we ever did anything it was have a sip of hot chocolate or coffee as soon as you wake up then pee before weigh ins. The one that WILL really work is sleeping in a cold room the night before. I'd lose 2lbs in my sleep every night, and most people do. But in a cold room I'd lose 4lbs. Range 3-5 for teammates. Your body burns a lot of calories keeping you warm, and you don't feel as drained as a hot room where you get more dehydrated.
 
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SoilVol said:
Can confirm. And can confirm back 3 generations.

Not to mention, pee weighs more than solid waste. If we ever did anything it was have a sip of hot chocolate or coffee as soon as you wake up then pee before weigh ins. The one that WILL really work is sleeping in a cold room the night before. I'd lose 2lbs in my sleep every night, and most people do. But in a cold room I'd lose 4lbs. Range 3-5 for teammates. Your body burns a lot of calories keeping you warm, and you don't feel as drained as a hot room where you get more dehydrated.
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Did you ever do the black trash bag
 
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