TN OL Chris Morris (Texas A&M commit - Now JUCO)

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de1conley said:
My friend let me explain to you something very carefully about being a coach. When you work so hard to build a relationship with a kid and the HC and staff leave 8/10 times they reach out to the kids to follow them because kids are going because of the coach and system vs the school of choice when a school is not Clemaon, tOSU, UGA or Alabama. Many of UT fand can't separate business from fandom to see the real. The circumstances in which Kiffin took over was worse than when CJP took over, and they used walk on OL, Crompton, etc and won 7 games and also had #8 recruiting class. The biggest issues when CJP took over were culture and tweener OL/DL. Now the players left over from CPF were better coached vs the Lyle Jones players. So ijs you have to really be fair despite the departure.
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I can agree with that talent wise. I would add to better coached comment that those players under Fulmer were better conditioned. This team when Pruitt got here was mentally and physically soft.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I can agree with that talent wise. I would add to better coached comment that those players under Fulmer were better conditioned. This team when Pruitt got here was mentally and physically soft.
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No disagreement on that at all
 
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Imo, having watched Vandy, Missouri and South Carolina whip our butts so many years in a row -
Even a depleted team, left with players that are SEC conditioned, is a heck of a lot better than a team of higher ranked, undeveloped and mentally unprepared players.

Personally, if I had to choose which situation to take over, I would take what Kiffin inherited.
Plus, TN was still a major brand to recruit to at the time. Irrelevance on this level is an obstacle Kiffin's crew did not deal with, not even close.
 
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chargervol said:
Personally, if I had to choose which situation to take over, I would take what Kiffin inherited.
Plus, TN was still a major brand to recruit to at the time. Irrelevance on this level is an obstacle Kiffin's crew did not deal with, not even close.
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This is a good observation that is often sorely overlooked. Couple national irrelevance with in-state irrelevance (as in, we haven't been good for many of the in-state recruit's lifetimes), and it gives you a better idea of what Pruitt and staff are fighting against.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Weinke isn’t terrible. Rocker isn’t nearly as good as the rest of the staff imo. Great fundamental coach though.
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Winning makes recruiting easier, even for coaches that may not be the best at it. Showing marked improvement in the W column this year is the difference between a good and great class.

At the end of the day, I'd rather have a coach or two on staff that made be a decent recruiter, but a great position coach. Too often we've seen the inverse: a good/great recruiter and a poor position coach (e.g., Thigpen).
 
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Bring_Back_Dooley said:
This is a good observation that is often sorely overlooked. Couple national irrelevance with in-state irrelevance (as in, we haven't been good for many of the in-state recruit's lifetimes), and it gives you a better idea of what Pruitt and staff are fighting against.
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Exactly. To repeatedly hear/read the words "I didn't know anything about TN, I've learned they used to be good though"?!?! Completely different playing field than what LK and staff dealt with.
 
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We need more coaches who can actually coach instead of worrying about how many 5*s they’re able to reel in.
 
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cHiZzLeVOL said:
Guess we shouldn’t recruit any of the other states either.... because it’s not like the other states around us are in the SEC or anything.... oh wait....
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Your preconceived response is completely out of context as to what I said.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
We need more coaches who can actually coach instead of worrying about how many 5*s they’re able to reel in.
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need both. think we have them both. unfortunatley we pretty much have to put the cart before the horse a bit before we can get more of either. "win" this year, and i think things take off on all fronts.
 
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chargervol said:
Imo, having watched Vandy, Missouri and South Carolina whip our butts so many years in a row -
Even a depleted team, left with players that are SEC conditioned, is a heck of a lot better than a team of higher ranked, undeveloped and mentally unprepared players.

Personally, if I had to choose which situation to take over, I would take what Kiffin inherited.
Plus, TN was still a major brand to recruit to at the time. Irrelevance on this level is an obstacle Kiffin's crew did not deal with, not even close.
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Definitely this. The combination of being undeveloped (some for years) plus mentally unperpared was deadly. It's why you never knew which one would not be able to perform at which time. Then at the end they started falling like toy soldiers.
And I'll add to the brand, Kiffin did not have to go against so many other SEC teams that were so far ahead of Tennessee. We were certainly not expected to be last in the SEC at the time. We were upset we were not going to win the SEC and compete for national championships.
 
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chargervol said:
Raised my curiosity, how many on our staff do you think can't "actually coach"
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Well, according to various VN posters, neither Weinke, Rocker, or Friend can coach. When you consider the years of CFB and NFL coaching experience that the LOM brings to the table, it's difficult not to be swayed by the shrill opinions of whiny, anonymous message board posters.
 
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Bring_Back_Dooley said:
Well, according to various VN posters, neither Weinke, Rocker, or Friend can coach. When you consider the years of CFB and NFL coaching experience that the LOM brings to the table, it's difficult not to be swayed by the shrill opinions of whiny, anonymous message board posters.
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I've read the Friend remarks and I can't buy into their final judgement after 1 season of a small, injury depleted, makeshift line. Maybe he turns out not-so-good but no way I believe anyone basing that solely off of last year.

I think Nieds is the only person on staff that is valued for his recruiting over everything else. Not saying he can't coach, not saying that at all. Just that his recruiting is at a level above, well, everything.
I think everyone else is known for both or known for coaching first.
 
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de1conley said:
Look man this is not up fir debate. Kiffin, Orgeron, Eddie Gran, Lance Thompson, Frank Wilson all NROY guys then Chaney Old man Kiffin, and Willie Mack they were hand picking guys and were not here long at all and had the class they had. Please on this staff you hv CJP and Tee as NROY guys and that's it. I don't gv a damn about abook i was around and saw the giys who camped and took OVs. We haven't seen anything close to that staff my friend. This staff hasmore teachers than anything which is what is needed due to the elite kids not really wanting to rebuild but having that wanting to win now mentality.
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It was a very good staff.

But recruiting isn't just about getting big names and 5 stars. It's also about having a solid evaluation system.

Pruitt is spotting talent everywhere.
AND he's getting big names to sign as well.

Our 2019 class is more talented than the 2009 Bryce Brown class imo.
I would put it on par with the 1997 and 2002 class.
 
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chargervol said:
I've read the Friend remarks and I can't buy into their final judgement after 1 season of a small, injury depleted, makeshift line. Maybe he turns out not-so-good but no way I believe anyone basing that solely off of last year.

I think Nieds is the only person on staff that is valued for his recruiting over everything else. Not saying he can't coach, not saying that at all. Just that his recruiting is at a level above, well, everything.
I think everyone else is known for both or known for coaching first.
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DaddyChad said:
Weinke isn’t terrible. Rocker isn’t nearly as good as the rest of the staff imo. Great fundamental coach though.
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Yeah Rocker is a great teaching coach, but a knock on him has always been average recruiting.

Maybe it is unfair to expect elite recruiting and teaching from every member of the staff. You have your elite recruiters ( Pruitt, Nieds, Ansley, Tee) and then your more fundamental coaches ( Rocker, Friend, Chaney). Not to say the elite recruiters aren’t good at coaching.
 
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jackcrevol said:
No, i made it all up, bro.
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You think our current recruiters are better than the days when Fulmer or majors had it rolling? Don't get me wrong, I think we have great recruiters that are proven but want to see big time results first.
 
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#650
why does it matter? for the here and now, we have as good a staff as we've had since the mid 90's........anyone really want to argue that point? lol.

the one staff that could maybe have matched it wasn't here long enough to even draw a comparison lol.
are we really jonesing that bad for stuff to argue about lol?
 
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