‘23 TN RB DeSean Bishop (Tennessee commit)

[LittleVol]

This kid is a good player.
Can't wait to see him compete!

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I think it would be a Booster paying him 20k for autographs/appearances. It doesn't seem like the best way to use money. A scholarship still is valuable, most players aren't bringing in that type of cash from Nails unless they are legit players who have earned it.

Plenty of ways for folks that want to reward a player to incentivize businesses and the collective to sign him to deals within the rules of engagement. It no longer has to be under the table. Any number of businesses could pay for some endorsements, or meet and greets, or whatever. They get to define the value of those services.

 

[peaygolf]

Plenty of ways for folks that want to reward a player to incentivize businesses and the collective to sign him to deals within the rules of engagement. It no longer has to be under the table. Any number of businesses could pay for some endorsements, or meet and greets, or whatever. They get to define the value of those services.

Problem is……the athletes are not going out and getting these deals themselves, nor are the businesses approaching the athletes……the universities are getting the deals for the players. It’s not the way it’s supposed to be.

 

[VolInDayton]

Plenty of ways for folks that want to reward a player to incentivize businesses and the collective to sign him to deals within the rules of engagement. It no longer has to be under the table. Any number of businesses could pay for some endorsements, or meet and greets, or whatever. They get to define the value of those services.

I understand that, but the business is not going to get much return off someone who is viewed as a PWO talent. A college scholarship is a lot of value and that type of money in NIL from a collective is what they place on a 4 star NIL value on on3.

 

[Rememberthelate90s]

Is this kid a pwo?

 

[bigl3327]

Is this kid a pwo?

That's what the word is.

 

[LittleVol]

I can't help but wonder, what would the perception on this kid be if this were pre -star ranking era.

Hell even as far back as 2007.
There was a kid out of Knoxville that signed with Ole Miss named Andre Sterling.
Farragut.

Really good back, but i don't think he was better than Bishop who we're getting as a Pwo.

I'm telling you. There's just more good football players today than ever before and these rankings can be suspect...

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I understand that, but the business is not going to get much return off someone who is viewed as a PWO talent. A college scholarship is a lot of value and that type of money in NIL from a collective is what they place on a 4 star NIL value on on3.

It is possible that this is the trial balloon for creative ways for individuals or businesses that want to help their program beat the 25 if reinstated and 85 numbers games. Kind of a paid 12th man deal at TAM. Years ago many wanted to, but could not pay players to work for them in any capacity. NIL has provided a legal path. I can see a small brigade of "TRUE VOLUNTEERS" being celebrated to provide a way for SOME players to play for their dream school as PWOs instead of moving down for a CONVENTIONAL full ride IF IF IF that would appeal to them. Instate players are more economical. The genie is not going back in the bottle. I SUPPOSE that there will have to be tangible evidence of photo shoots, meet and greets, and other promotional activities but actual value will be impossible to define. But ROI will not be the driver for those wanting to get involved.

Some money that would have otherwise been directly donated to the school can be diverted to these efforts, probably through the collectives. This gives supporters, individuals or groups, a chance to advance the program in ways not possible through conventional donations. Total roster size will become the only limiter as scholly and paid WO lines will blur. Could it be possible that bigtimers could give up ships when other sources more than cover the costs so the ship can applied to other guys? I am sure there are some tax implications to consider. A shell game of sorts. Expanding roster size instead of just reeling in big prizes with NIL is an alternative.

With 85 being the number, I can also see smaller quieter efforts to pay guys to enter the portal to open up space in the 85. Put some money in their pocket to graciously exit and transfer to a place where they fit better, or stay, get their UT degree without the time investment of being on the scout teams. Could always use a few extra paid interns in the AD I bet. Don't think there is any limit on guys that don't step between the lines.

I am sure the creative juices are flowing in athletic departments everywhere.

 

[butchna]

UT can't promise *any* player, PWO, scholarship, or otherwise NIL money. They can advise and align, and that is all. NIL as I understand it around UT, is there is a group aligned that sets up deals for our athletes. So yes, PWOs are going to get them as well in all likelihood. Think of it more like a pro athlete doing a subway commercial. Same concept. It isn't school money.

There were negotiations with Zach Evans and the key pitch was NIL. Golesh was heavily involved in the meetings and in the same room with Spyre. Likewise with Garner and Walter Nolen. No, they can’t technically PROMISE the compensation involved, but the numbers are known by the staff.

 

[butchna]

Problem is……the athletes are not going out and getting these deals themselves, nor are the businesses approaching the athletes……the universities are getting the deals for the players. It’s not the way it’s supposed to be.

Oh bolsch! It’s the way it ALWAYS WAS…now the collectives serve as a clean front. NCAA ran it too far the other direction for way too long. Kids losing eligibility for participating in charity events or having their own businesses. Billions in marketing and television and a kid gets to shoot some commercials…American way.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Problem is……the athletes are not going out and getting these deals themselves, nor are the businesses approaching the athletes……the universities are getting the deals for the players. It’s not the way it’s supposed to be.

Why is that a problem? The players are not having to search out schools for schollies either. That is the role of the collectives. The trick will be in keeping the proper distance between themselves and the AD. There has to be some informational flow between the two. Collectives are not going to throw out offers to players that are not on the hard take board. Lots of winking and hypothetical discussions between the two I bet.

If I was a player, I would be checking out all my LEGAL options before I signed anything. The stronger the base supporting the NIL efforts the better. Bet they don't have to initiate it most of the time. Those that don't have it are already whining.

 

[peaygolf]

Oh bolsch! It’s the way it ALWAYS WAS…now the collectives serve as a clean front. NCAA ran it too far the other direction for way too long. Kids losing eligibility for participating in charity events or having their own businesses. Billions in marketing and television and a kid gets to shoot some commercials…American way.

Not saying that it hasn’t always been done. I do believe the allowing of NIL was for the athletes to do this themselves, so it was out in the open and be more legit. That’s all. We all knew this is what would happen.

 

[volbeast33]

Not saying that it hasn’t always been done. I do believe the allowing of NIL was for the athletes to do this themselves, so it was out in the open and be more legit. That’s all. We all knew this is what would happen.

NIL has nothing to do with making it more legit…. The NCAA was in the process of being sued for not allowing athletes to profit… if they had a better system before then it would have never reached this point.

 

[SoilVol]

Imo it would almost be better if boosters provided guaranteed employment for the PWOs that pays them handsomely. Even if their "work" is just outside of the season.

 

[peaygolf]

NIL has nothing to do with making it more legit…. The NCAA was in the process of being sued for not allowing athletes to profit… if they had a better system before then it would have never reached this point.

If it wasn’t to make it legal and legit….then they should have just kept it the old way….under the table.
Still have Alabama going after kids not in the portal.

 

[volbeast33]

If it wasn’t to make it legal and legit….then they should have just kept it the old way….under the table.
Still have Alabama going after kids not in the portal.

They couldn’t keep the old way bc lawmakers were making laws against it and the ncaa was being challenged in court.

 

[peaygolf]

They couldn’t keep the old way bc lawmakers were making laws against it and the ncaa was being challenged in court.

I know they could not have kept it the old way….I was venting sarcastically.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

I wonder why we continue to leave Bishop off these graphics? They have other PWOs on the list. Is it something to do with a blueshirt?

 

[BondJamesBond]

I was thinking more of Karns centric businesses that would love to gain favor for stepping up. Restaurants, garden centers, etc.

They only have add on top of Hope and Pell type moneys to cover tuition and room stuff.

Out of state guys are totally different equation.

I noticed last year that some really good walkons came to Tennessee and assumed that the Hope scholarship was part of what made that make sense for them vs private or out of state schools.

 

[volunteerfan94]

I noticed last year that some really good walkons came to Tennessee and assumed that the Hope scholarship was part of what made that make sense for them vs private or out of state schools.

Who on that list is a PWO? Just the specialists? They might be mid-year guys who already enrolled.

 

[BondJamesBond]

I understand that, but the business is not going to get much return off someone who is viewed as a PWO talent. A college scholarship is a lot of value and that type of money in NIL from a collective is what they place on a 4 star NIL value on on3.

I don't completely disagree, but what could Jim Bob Cooter have done with NIL back in his day? And what is Deshawn's value (say) to the Karns business or political community? Granted there is risk, but maybe someone is counting on him to develop that image in the community.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Who on that list is a PWO? Just the specialists? They might be mid-year guys who already enrolled.

I recall a couple of tackles and DBs. I'm talking about 2021 class, so they would have been on the team this season. There was a thread you can look up if you want.

Edit ... 2022 class.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Who on that list is a PWO? Just the specialists? They might be mid-year guys who already enrolled.

Here is an article listing some.
A Look At Tennessee's Group of Preferred Walk-Ons, Why They Are Important

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

If it wasn’t to make it legal and legit….then they should have just kept it the old way….under the table.
Still have Alabama going after kids not in the portal.

You should have educated the Supreme Court who pulled the trigger on making this the law of the land, against the NCAA's guidance. I don't have a problem with the concept, but just putting it out there without any guidance on application was idiotic.

REPETITIVE CONCEPT WARNING.... Long so you may want to bail now.....

The only measure of control I, in my infinite wisdom, can come up with for the NCAA, is to continue to make amateurism the basis of the organization, yielding to the court decision by allowing the NIL practice to exist for every player, but require the request and completion of a waiver to compete while receiving these funds which includes reporting all income generated by the practice, and establishing a cap of NIL dollars for each team. Every player will absolutely be able to get HIS value, and will have an NCAA institution willing to offer him a schollie, but they will not be able to congregate at institutions of their choice, just like the NFL players cannot with salary caps.

Schools get to accept the players of their choice till they reach their cap level in order of acceptance, then the player can still get their money but not participate till the school falls under the cap. The NCAA could also accommodate players by having an NIL excess emergency transfer portal option. I would foresee a dual cap system based on amount of NIL money, one cap pool for players under X??? dollars, and another for above X??? dollars. That would allow lots of cookie, and chicken wing, and birthday appearance money, and another cap for the big money players. The 25 cap may be gone forever and replaced with NIL cap(s). It might be necessary to require any player to receive NIL money in one or either pool to be included in the 85 counter limit. Might not need to include the lower tier group. Esablish the X dollar delimiter and the two pool cap sizes and let her rip.

The NCAA would maintain a database of dollars tied up in each pool for each school, but not infringe on any players privacy with the amount of any individuals deals. Do not see a legal challenge by institutions or individuals as the NCAA continues to keep competitive balance for the institutions in play. Since the money is not tied to the institutions but outside individuals or entities I see no basis. Those supplying the money are at risk if there is any basis on the player being at any individual institution.

 

[vettefool]

Here is an article listing some.
A Look At Tennessee's Group of Preferred Walk-Ons, Why They Are Important

Thanks, very informative.