TN TE Jamal Mosley

That wasn't what I said. I just said those teams were coming off poor seasons. Also, I am not sure you can say they are two of the five recruiters in the nation. Have they ever been ranked in the top five recruiters for a single season? They are good recruiters and they know talent but I'm sure their standards were lower coming off 3 and 4 win seasons. It's not often you bring in a truck load of talent after seasons like that. The class Ed O would have been bringing him in consisted of one-5* and two-4*. I am thinking Ed O was settling for what he could and doing his best to find diamonds in the rough. Butch Davis did a little better with six-4* recruits in that class. Like I said, I never said the kid isn't good or that Butch Davis and Ed O can't recruit. I am just saying that offer list wasn't that great. Ed O has never won more than 4 games as a head coach and Butch Davis has only won more than 9 games once. These guys aren't really top notch head coaches in my opinion and the programs recruiting these kid are average at best. Just my opinion.

You lost me right there. If you don't think Ed Orgeron is a top 5 recruiter, then you don't know college football.

"USC's 2002, 2003 and 2004 recruiting classes were ranked among the nation's top 5 (the 2003 and 2004 groups were listed by many as No. 1). He was named the 2004 National Recruiter of the Year by The Sporting News and Rivals.com."

University Southern California Official Athletic Site

Butch Davis was notorious for getting talented players. Some of that was due to being in Miami. But, you can already tell what he's done in Chapel Hill compared to what they were just a few years ago.

End of discussion.
 
I think TOP and I have only really argued once when I was a douche to him when he made a mock...

Either way, I gotta side with Vader on this one...
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I will say this. Throwing some bedsheets and underwear in a paper bag and shipping it off to the lab means very little in a case like this. Forensically speaking, finding fluids of any kind does not mean he raped her. It means there was sexual contact of some kind. Consent, or lack thereof can only be established through a combination of victim/subject/witness interviews and, if done in a timely manner, a physical examination of the accuser.
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Exactly what I was saying. Where I live, rape accusations are similar to the Salem witch trials. Females I have been around (and no, not involving me) accuse often. That is one of those words that carries on long after the facts. Once accused, that man is always looked at as a rapist. Like I said, if there is proof, I'll believe it, or incredibly obvious circumstances. This is not one of those cases. He may have, but he may not have.
 
I have seen this first hand. I lived in a fraternity house(say what you want but we are a chapter that has kicked people out for joking about this stuff. Nothing has ever happened at this chapter since I have been here 6 years) A girl was trashed and was dancing all over people getting naked and stuff and ended up sleeping with one of my buddies. They woke up and he walked her back to her dorm and they even got lunch later that day. Then that weekend at gameday pregame(the night in question was a tuesday) she walks up to him in front of people and goes," I cant believe you raped me you basterd". He laughed it off thinking she was joking. Sunday roles around and her older brother rolls up to the house waving a golf club around threatining to kill him and he gets a call from the dean. She was pressing charges and trying to get him kicked from school. I had to meet with the dean and judiciary and so did a ton of people and all it was was that people saw here doing the walk of shame that next morning so she started telling herself it was rape and the kicker was the roomates even said she made it up. His name got drug through the dirt all because she had a bad name for getting drilled in a frat house. Girls do it to save face or the families push it because they cant believe little sally sue is a dirty girl on campus.

I saw it happen to a guy at MBA in nashville because her dad was a big name man and couldnt understand that his daughter would have sex so he filled for rape charges. He was foundinnocent but had to change his name and move because crazy womens groups would protest his house and slander his name.

Its sad but when it comes to drunken date rapes I dont believe it unless they are drugged or its a serious rape. Going home drunk and then claiming rape to save face is sick but it happens daily.
 
You know Butch is a great recruiter if Larry Coker can win a championship with his players.
 
The girl's name is Kayla Starks. Her dad is Ken Starks president of BancFirst in Stillwater and a big time booster. For what it's worth here is the link to OrangePower's thread about Mosley. Pretty interesting posts.


Edit: Traber is a local talk show host.

Her name is Kayla Starks, but her dad is not Ken Starks.
Her dad is not a big booster.

Traber is a loud mouth radio talk show host who likes to stir things up. He mis-quoted stating that Ms. Starks had another incident with an athlete, when in fact it is Mosley who had another incident Mar 2008 with another woman. This incident was not published in the media.

He has had 3 incidents in the last 6 months. 2 being with women and the other the marijuana charge. I would say that he does not use good judgement in his off the field activities.
 
Previous rape complaint filed against former OSU player

OSU starting tight end Jamal Mosley left the team this week. CORY YOUNG/Tulsa World file


By SUSAN HYLTON World Staff Writer
Published: 9/4/2009 9:16 PM
Last Modified: 9/4/2009 10:51 PM

STILLWATER — Jamal Mosley, who quit the OSU football team after being accused of raping a female student in August, had been accused of raping another student in March, the Tulsa World has learned.

A rape examination was performed and evidence was collected in that earlier allegation, but the case was closed when the victim decided not to cooperate in the investigation.
 
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Alleged rape versus convicted rape are two very different things.

What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

If he is guilty then we should nevre take him (goes without saying).
 
Pokevol is on every thread about Mosley slamming him.

The first alleged rape is from a girl who dated him for two months after he supposedly raped her. The second one is the white girl who said she was too drunk to remember what happened.
 
Is this a joke? That foul mouthed punk said the girl "looked older." She was 13 if memory serves and he made sexual references about her in front of her family. If that was my daughter I would have been arrested for assault and battery right then and there.

You've got it wrong.
 
Anyone know where his former coach, Duron Sutton is now? I know he is helping Jamal out with this process. He doesn't coach at Kingsbury anymore. I was j/w
 
Please PM me the true story then. I would be happy to hear it.

I'll post it right here. Raymond and his buddy are eating. Throughout their meal at the table nearby, a girl in a school uniform is complaining to her mother about how terrible it is to have to wear a uniform to school. Raymond is overhearing this and can empathize because he also went to a school with uniforms. On his way out he makes a comment to the girl. It wasn't sexual in nature. The mom is furious. Raymond just leaves, not wanting to deal with it. Unfortunately, his buddy forgot his cell phone at their table. The mom goes over and essentially steals it. So later they realize the cell phone is missing. They call it. Mom is able to divine their identities through that conversation. She tells story to big booster husband. Husband reports to Phil. Phil calls Raymond into his office. Some assistant coaches come with him. It is typical for a player in this situation to tell his side of the story. That doesn't happen. Phil lets him know he's though.
 
Raymond Henderson Bio - Gophersports.com—Official Web Site of University of Minnesota Athletics

Non sexual comment I do not buy.

"Girl I feel you on those uniforms, at least they look good on you" which you say is not sexual and any mom would be furious about I think that is possible. No way Fulmer kicks him off and says he made "inappropriate comments to a minor" if he did not say anything bad. Fulmer was trying to change his ways a bit, but he is not a disciplinarian.

At least we were not wrong on Henderson. McGruder and O Smith played like studs after they got the boot, Henderson has not done anything in a worse conference on a worse team.
 
Raymond Henderson Bio - Gophersports.com—Official Web Site of University of Minnesota Athletics

Non sexual comment I do not buy.

"Girl I feel you on those uniforms, at least they look good on you" which you say is not sexual and any mom would be furious about I think that is possible. No way Fulmer kicks him off and says he made "inappropriate comments to a minor" if he did not say anything bad. Fulmer was trying to change his ways a bit, but he is not a disciplinarian.

At least we were not wrong on Henderson. McGruder and O Smith played like studs after they got the boot, Henderson has not done anything in a worse conference on a worse team.

Fulmer behaved like a sack of crap in that situation. Raymond actually considered legal action against him. Where did you get that quote?
 
Fulmer behaved like a sack of crap in that situation. Raymond actually considered legal action against him. Where did you get that quote?

I made my quote up.

There is no chance that he said something completely non sexual as you suggested, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that it might not be as sexual as I initially thought.

If you know the real quote, please enlighten us.
 
I made my quote up.

There is no chance that he said something completely non sexual as you suggested, but I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that it might not be as sexual as I initially thought.

If you know the real quote, please enlighten us.

I used to know it. Don't recall exactly what was said at the moment and wouldn't feel it would be right to paraphrase it. I do remember being extremely angry, because this was blown out of proportion. Saying there was no chance it wasn't sexual is idiotic.

And you should go back and remove your quote. Posting something like that is classless.
 
I heard from everyone I knew that it was somewhat sexual.

I also know that Fulmer said "inappropriate comments to a minor"

Are you saying that he just cussed at West Town Mall foodcourt and got kicked off the team because of it?
 

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