TN TE Jamal Mosley

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The kid may be completely innocent. I never said he was guilty. I just think the best thing for our program is to wait until this deal is resolved. We already have a target on our back for the Hood story, I don't want to bring in a kid under these types of allegations until its settled. If he is cleared, let him come. Just think if we were to take him now and the story turns out to be true, that would look even worse for us for not investigating further. Just my opinion. If you dont agree with me, thats your business as well.
 
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tripper said:
The girl's name is Kayla Starks. Her dad is Ken Starks president of BancFirst in Stillwater and a big time booster. For what it's worth here is the link to OrangePower's thread about Mosley. Pretty interesting posts.


Edit: Traber is a local talk show host.
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Seems there is some debate on who her father is, either Ken Starks as metioned above or a neighbor of Gundy's. That thread is pretty heated. I can't believe I quoted myself, all time low.
 
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Per Gundy earlier this week:

"You’ve got 19,000 students here. You’ve got a lot of cute girls out there. There’s a lot of things going on. Guys have to focus. We’re trying to reel them in.” May need to try a little harder.
 
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utvolpj said:
you really want to stick with that? It's absolutely amazing what some people type on here
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I'm a little confused about what is so drastically controversial about it. Without even throwing out an opinion in one direction or the other, I simply acknowledged that in less than a day with this news we already have another polarizing issue with this transfer that brings memories of the Daniel Hood situation. How exactly did that ruffle any feathers or make you want to say that it's "amazing" what people type on here?

I didn't say I wanted us to recruit the kid, nor did I say I wanted us to stay away from the kid.
 
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EricFreakingBerry said:
I'm a little confused about what is so drastically controversial about it. Without even throwing out an opinion in one direction or the other, I simply acknowledged that in less than a day with this news we already have another polarizing issue with this transfer that brings memories of the Daniel Hood situation. How exactly did that ruffle any feathers or make you want to say that it's "amazing" what people type on here?

I didn't say I wanted us to recruit the kid, nor did I say I wanted us to stay away from the kid.
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maybe because there is absolutely nothing similar to the Hood situation except that the word rape was used
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
That wasn't what I said. I just said those teams were coming off poor seasons. Also, I am not sure you can say they are two of the five recruiters in the nation. Have they ever been ranked in the top five recruiters for a single season? They are good recruiters and they know talent but I'm sure their standards were lower coming off 3 and 4 win seasons. It's not often you bring in a truck load of talent after seasons like that. The class Ed O would have been bringing him in consisted of one-5* and two-4*. I am thinking Ed O was settling for what he could and doing his best to find diamonds in the rough. Butch Davis did a little better with six-4* recruits in that class. Like I said, I never said the kid isn't good or that Butch Davis and Ed O can't recruit. I am just saying that offer list wasn't that great. Ed O has never won more than 4 games as a head coach and Butch Davis has only won more than 9 games once. These guys aren't really top notch head coaches in my opinion and the programs recruiting these kid are average at best. Just my opinion.
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Since you think they aren't top 5 recruiters, please name me guys who are better. And I'm not talking about just getting players from your backyard like Urban Meyer or Mack Brown. Saban and Pete Carroll are the only 2 I can think of...

You are way off base. Being ranked as a top 5 recruiter on a website literally means nothing. Thompson was recruiter of the year, and now, he's probably the 4th or 5th best recruiter in Knoxville...

Look at the players they recruited. Pete Carroll said Orgeron should get as much credit as anyone for rebuilding the USC program because of his recruiting. Ask any USC fan their opinion of Orgeron. Ask Houston Nutt what he thinks of the players that Orgeron left for him (Hardy, McCluster, Snead, Oher, Laurent, etc.)...

You say you don't bring in truck loads of talent after years like that. Did you watch Ole Miss last year? They looked like they had quite a bit of talent to me. Butch Davis is in the midst of building a top notch program at a school that has been at the bottom of the ACC for a while...

I never said they were good head coaches (although I do think Davis is solid). I said good recruiters. Alot of talent can take you a long way. You've just got to be able to find it. Butch won a national championship with the most talented team in College Football history. They weren't all high rated players either. Ed Reed was a low rated (2star I think) RB out of high school. Davis saw his potential, and the rest is history...
 
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utvolpj said:
maybe because there is absolutely nothing similar to the Hood situation except that the word rape was used
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Well, I have a feeling we're closer to an understanding about this than you think. All I was doing was merely making a comparison on how *people here respond* to this kind of situation, I was not comparing the scenarios. We have both sides flare up....one side trashing the university if we decide to accept him, the other side placing moral issues in second place behind football within mere hours, before honestly any of us know the facts.
 
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tripper said:
Traber is a local talk show host.
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As an Oriole fan, I hope he is better at radio than he was at baseball.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n36lYGA9Nw
 
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Sports Animal reported he's not coming to Tennessee (for what that's worth). They said the academic calendars of the two schools (OSU and UT) won't allow for the transfer this fall. As a result, the soonest he could enroll at UT would be January and therefore can't play football for us until 2011 season. He might go a JUCO route or another division I school with a different academic calender.
 
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we need this kid BAD!!! he didnt rape that girl, just like in the other thread dady dosent wana realize his little girl is a well i dont need to say it.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
That wasn't what I said. I just said those teams were coming off poor seasons. Also, I am not sure you can say they are two of the five recruiters in the nation. Have they ever been ranked in the top five recruiters for a single season? They are good recruiters and they know talent but I'm sure their standards were lower coming off 3 and 4 win seasons. It's not often you bring in a truck load of talent after seasons like that. The class Ed O would have been bringing him in consisted of one-5* and two-4*. I am thinking Ed O was settling for what he could and doing his best to find diamonds in the rough. Butch Davis did a little better with six-4* recruits in that class. Like I said, I never said the kid isn't good or that Butch Davis and Ed O can't recruit. I am just saying that offer list wasn't that great. Ed O has never won more than 4 games as a head coach and Butch Davis has only won more than 9 games once. These guys aren't really top notch head coaches in my opinion and the programs recruiting these kid are average at best. Just my opinion.
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Butch Davis is one of the best HC's in the country
 
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VOLNBAMA said:
Butch Davis is one of the best HC's in the country
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Just curious, but what are you basing this on? If Butch Davis is doing what it takes to be one of the best coaches in the country than Tommy Tuberville wouldn't have been fired. I would like you to compare the two and show me what makes Butch Davis any better than Tommy Tuberville.

Butch Davis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tommy Tuberville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In my opinion, if you're going to say Butch is one of the best in the country then you'd have to say Tuberville is also despite being fired. I would actually say that Tuberville has been better than Davis.
 
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Lord Vader said:
Since you think they aren't top 5 recruiters, please name me guys who are better. And I'm not talking about just getting players from your backyard like Urban Meyer or Mack Brown. Saban and Pete Carroll are the only 2 I can think of...

You are way off base. Being ranked as a top 5 recruiter on a website literally means nothing. Thompson was recruiter of the year, and now, he's probably the 4th or 5th best recruiter in Knoxville...

Look at the players they recruited. Pete Carroll said Orgeron should get as much credit as anyone for rebuilding the USC program because of his recruiting. Ask any USC fan their opinion of Orgeron. Ask Houston Nutt what he thinks of the players that Orgeron left for him (Hardy, McCluster, Snead, Oher, Laurent, etc.)...

You say you don't bring in truck loads of talent after years like that. Did you watch Ole Miss last year? They looked like they had quite a bit of talent to me. Butch Davis is in the midst of building a top notch program at a school that has been at the bottom of the ACC for a while...

I never said they were good head coaches (although I do think Davis is solid). I said good recruiters. Alot of talent can take you a long way. You've just got to be able to find it. Butch won a national championship with the most talented team in College Football history. They weren't all high rated players either. Ed Reed was a low rated (2star I think) RB out of high school. Davis saw his potential, and the rest is history...
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I don't think I'm way off base. I just think You're overrating Butch Davis and Ed Orgeron. They are good but in my opinion they aren't as good as you think they are.

For my list, I'm not sure why I couldn't include Meyer... Last years class he had 12 players rated 4* or better. Half of them were outside of Florida. Anyways... Nick Saban, Pete Carrol, Bob Stoops, Jim Tressel, Les Miles, Mark Richt, Ron Zook and anyone who coaches Notre Dame which I guess doesn't really count. I would throw Fulmer in there if he still had a job.

As for Ed Orgeron, sure he brought in talent to Ole Miss but it's not like he brought in massive amounts. Houston Nutt is just an underrated coach in my opinion. He finds ways to get potential out of some players a lot of coaches would view as basically useless. Houston Nutt is used to it because winning with Arkansas in the SEC and getting top talent there wasn't any easy gig. I think Ed O is a good recruiter but I think top 5 is a stretch. Same with Butch Davis, good but I think it's a stretch and yes he has turned North Carolina but like Miami, he will hoover around 3 and 4 losses. That's what he did at Miami outside of one season. If you're bring up that he is a good recruiter back in his Miami days then that should be eliminated from discussion if Meyer is.

Also, not into get into another debate by I am not sure Miami was the most talented team ever. USC, Texas and Florida are all in the same vicinity. You could call any of them the most talented in my opinion.

Question though, where did you see Ed Reed's rating out of high school? I didn't think scouts are rivals were around to rate players prior to 2000. Maybe they were. I don't know.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Also, not into get into another debate by I am not sure Miami was the most talented team ever. USC, Texas and Florida are all in the same vicinity. You could call any of them the most talented in my opinion.
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:eek:lol:

Your post was hilarious. This paragraph was my favorite one. Pick one year from one of those schools, and I'll take '01 Miami. Then let's start naming off NFL level players...

'04 USC is the closest imo. Ed Orgeron had alot to do with that too. Ask Pete Carroll...
 
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MIA BD 71.8%: 11-1, 9-3, 9-3, 8-3, 9-4
AUB TT 68%: 13-0, 11-2. 9-3, 9-4, 9-4, 9-4

Tommy Tuberville took over a team that won 3 games the year before. But Davis took over a team located in a hotbed and was already a national power house. How is Butch Davis any better than Tommy Tuberville? The answer: He isn't. You think as you like though.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
MIA BD 71.8%: 11-1, 9-3, 9-3, 8-3, 9-4
AUB TT 68%: 13-0, 11-2. 9-3, 9-4, 9-4, 9-4

Tommy Tuberville took over a team that won 3 games the year before. But Davis took over a team located in a hotbed and was already a national power house. How is Butch Davis any better than Tommy Tuberville? The answer: He isn't. You think as you like though.
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Lord Vader said:
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Your post was hilarious. This paragraph was my favorite one. Pick one year from one of those schools, and I'll take '01 Miami. Then let's start naming off NFL level players...

'04 USC is the closest imo. Ed Orgeron had alot to do with too. Ask Pete Carroll...
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So your basis for being the best in college is producing the most NFL players? Tim Tebow and Eric Couch must really suck then. Either way, most of Texas's team got drafted. If you think Miami beating Texas, USC or Florida would be a sure thing then you're crazy. Florida's entire defense will probably get drafted after this season.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Wow. You can't debate so you just throw up pictures and see stuff little kids say like lulz. Embarrassing dude. I am done talking to you because you're how do you put it... immature.
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Yea. That's me. Saying Butch Davis and Ed Orgeron are good recruiters. Have you read your posts? And I'm not just talking about the ones in this thread...

Meanwhile, you are always saying something completely off the wall and arguing with somebody (me, jmva, etc.)...
 
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Lord Vader said:
Yea. That's me. Saying Butch Davis and Ed Orgeron are good recruiters. Have you read your posts? And I'm not just talking about the ones in this thread...

Meanwhile, you are always saying something completely off the wall and arguing with somebody (me, jmva, etc.)...
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Two people? And jmva and I haven't argued forever.

Yeah, you said that and when I disagreed you just went nuts. I showed you why and you started responding with lulz and pictures. I debate with facts. If that's too much for you to handle then I apologize. Debating with pictures and lulz isn't really my cup of tea.

For the record, you didn't say they were good recruiters. You said they were top 5. I gave you five people who were better. Someone then responded to me about how Butch Davis was one of the best I showed how he really isn't any better. I didn't know we couldn't debate. I'm just not into laughing at peoples opinions like you. But you have fun laughing at facts because your opinion trumps statistics. :good!:

I will agree to disagree with you and go my separate way not. Have a good night.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Two people? And jmva and I haven't argued forever.

Yeah, you said that and when I disagreed you just went nuts. I showed you why and you started responding with lulz and pictures. I debate with facts. If that's too much for you to handle then I apologize. Debating with pictures and lulz isn't really my cup of tea.

For the record, you didn't say they were good recruiters. You said they were top 5. I gave you five people who were better. Someone then responded to me about how Butch Davis was one of the best I showed how he really isn't any better. I didn't know we couldn't debate. I'm just not into laughing at peoples opinions like you. But you have fun laughing at facts because your opinion trumps statistics. :good!:

I will agree to disagree with you and go my separate way not. Have a good night.
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I could throw numerous facts out there at you. But you would simply ignore them...

We had this debate on VN before you got here and alot of people ranked their top 5 recruiters. Davis was no lower than #3 for anyone that I can remember, and Orgeron was in alot of people's top 5. Without Orgeron's players, Ole Miss would be getting smashed...

Davis and Orgeron are elite talent evaluators...
 
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