To Protect and to Serve II

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

You're making the assumption that property ownership exists in this country

Underrated post.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

Don’t live in a city with ordinances. It’s common knowledge that cities have codes.

I thought everyone knew this. Like in Knoxville if the city has to come cut your grass its a minimum of $250 and they will come and cut it.

 

[VolFaninFla]

Policing for $$$$$$$
The Demand for Money Behind Many Police Traffic Stops

 

[VolStrom]

Policing for $$$$$$$
The Demand for Money Behind Many Police Traffic Stops

I can relate to the "your license plate bulb is burned out speel" Does this crap make you feed like a big man @Rickyvol77?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I can relate to the "your license plate bulb is burned out speel" Does this crap make you feed like a big man @Rickyvol77?

I never pulled someone over for that so you tell me

 

[VolStrom]

I never pulled someone over for that so you tell me

Apparently your brethren feel the need to do that, I just assumed that you did too. I've never been arrested, but the fine police officers felt justified to pull me over for having a burned out license plate light, just one of two was out mind you.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I thought everyone knew this.

Everyone is fully aware of how it works. No one is surprised or shocked by this...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Policing for $$$$$$$
The Demand for Money Behind Many Police Traffic Stops

You are the sheep these cops need to fleece. Tinted windows, a busted blinker, rolling stop, 15 mph over the limit on the interstate... gotta get these peasants to pony up.

 

[jp1]

Maybe they should have tried a medical intervention before bringing in the landscapers. Trespassing and brute force were not the only tools they had available to them.

I thought I had read that this wasn't the first time that they had been to and cut the grass back. I dont recall an incident the first time.

Obviously I don't like the outcome that occurred, however how do you think would have been the best way to handle it?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I thought I had read that this wasn't the first time that they had been to and cut the grass back. I dont recall an incident the first time.

Obviously I don't like the outcome that occurred, however how do you think would have been the best way to handle it?

I wouldn't have resorted to trespassing.

I never said there was an easy answer. That's life. But you don't resort to govt thuggery just because it's too hard, either.

 

[jp1]

I wouldn't have resorted to trespassing.

I never said there was an easy answer. That's life. But you don't resort to govt thuggery just because it's too hard, either.

I honestly somewhat understand your take on this, however I also think that there had to be some sort of resolution here. It appeared to be a long standing issue, and if I read correctly it appeared they had cleaned the place up before. I surely don't have the answer here at all, but I dont think we can just let people do whatever they please when it is potentially affecting others livelihood.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Philadelphia Passes "Anti-Driving While Black" Measure That Bans Minor Traffic Stops | ZeroHedge

Today in "liberal cities are moving one step closer to total lawlessness" news, it was reported that Philadelphia's City Council has passed a measure that bans officers from pulling over drivers for traffic violations like broken taillights or expired registrations.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I honestly somewhat understand your take on this, however I also think that there had to be some sort of resolution here. It appeared to be a long standing issue, and if I read correctly it appeared they had cleaned the place up before. I surely don't have the answer here at all, but I dont think we can just let people do whatever they please when it is potentially affecting others livelihood.

I find it interesting that the same people that are up in arms about govt mandating a needle in their arms for the sake of public health would support the govt coming on private property and making modifications for the sake of public health.

Property rights are just as important as individual rights.

A fair and reasonable resolution without the need for trespassing and violence (or possibly medical intervention or mental evaluation). They were only ready to talk and negotiate with the man once bullets started flying.

 

[jp1]

I find it interesting that the same people that are up in arms about govt mandating a needle in their arms for the sake of public health would support the govt coming on private property and making modifications for the sake of public health.

Property rights are just as important as individual rights.

A fair and reasonable resolution without the need for trespassing and violence (or possibly medical intervention or mental evaluation). They were only ready to talk and negotiate with the man once bullets started flying.

Do we know that your last sentence is true? I'm genuinely asking.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Do we know that your last sentence is true? I'm genuinely asking.

From what I read there were two visits. But I'm not sure if anybody actually talked to the guy until they waved a warrant in his face, which is an antagonistic approach. Maybe @Rickyvol77 has more insider info...

 

[GreyWolf1129]

Pretty sure it was in the middle of the strike zone, but ruled outside. Hmmm.

 

[VolStrom]

Cops trying to pull one over on someone that knows the law. What would happen to you in this situation?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

KARE 11 Investigates: Jailed, innocent, in labor and shackled | kare11.com

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Tell the whole story. City served a search warrant for nuisance abatement after numerous warnings...which means they can enter your property to maintain it. In this case, mow the yard with foot-tall grass. Contractors show up to do the yard work; shots are fired from inside the residence; officers show up; can't establish contact; and then...and only then...does the SWAT callout occur. And even then, they do everything they can to find a peaceful solution. He brought the fight to them. Self-correcting problem.

I know, it's crazy to think, but if you shoot at people the cops might actually show up to inquire as to the source of your anger.

Austin is as liberal as they come in Texas. So let's see what the outcome is. My guess is that there won't be any murals, statues, or state holidays as a result of this one.

Send in the SWAT team...
Florida Homeowner Fined For Hanging Trump And "Let's Go Brandon" Banners On His Own Home | ZeroHedge

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

No charges will be filed against Arvada officer who killed ‘hero’ John Hurley

 

[GreyWolf1129]

No charges will be filed against Arvada officer who killed ‘hero’ John Hurley

Tragedy. Hard to understand the confusion, tunnel vision, audio exclusion, and yes…fear, unless you have found yourself in the middle of a scenario like this one. There but for the Grace of God go I.

I can’t throw the first stone here. You go ahead.

Involuntary Manslaughter at worst. But as tragic as this is, I also think the DA got it right.

Sad all around. No winners in this one.

 

[hog88]

Tragedy. Hard to understand the confusion, tunnel vision, audio exclusion, and yes…fear, unless you have found yourself in the middle of a scenario like this one. There but for the Grace of God go I.

I can’t throw the first stone here. You go ahead.

Involuntary Manslaughter at worst. But as tragic as this is, I also think the DA got it right.

Sad all around. No winners in this one.

If only civilians were given the same benefits of the doubt.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Tragedy. Hard to understand the confusion, tunnel vision, audio exclusion, and yes…fear, unless you have found yourself in the middle of a scenario like this one. There but for the Grace of God go I.

I can’t throw the first stone here. You go ahead.

Involuntary Manslaughter at worst. But as tragic as this is, I also think the DA got it right.

Sad all around. No winners in this one.

No winners?

One guy is dead while the person who killed him is still alive and got months of paid vacation out of the deal.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

If only civilians were given the same benefits of the doubt.

I agree. There are solid arguments to be made on both sides when it comes to topics such as "higher standards", Qualified Immunity, and such. If you remember back a few years, there was the undercover officer who was shot and killed by a uniformed UCF (?) officer at a football game. The details are fuzzy in this old brain, but I remember at the time thinking how this was a preventable tragedy if the uniformed officer had made sure that the UC officer knew he was there, and had given him time to identify himself or ground his weapon and wait to be identified. I wasn't there, so...

Same here. I haven't seen the video, if there is any, but perhaps this could have been avoided if the responding officer had made his presence known, and held his fire until and unless the victim in this incident (yes, he's a victim) had displayed hostile intent.

Friendly fire, as they say, isn't.

As for me, I do a lot of "what if" thinking about getting caught in similar circumstances. What if, while off-duty and in civilian attire, I stumble up on a deadly force situation. How do I (a) intervene if need be, and (b) survive the first wave of responding uniforms? For my part, I've pretty much decided to (a) only draw if I intend to fire; (b) only fire if there is a lethal threat to me or anyone in my immediate vicinity; (c) scan, cover, and then get low and stay there until the cavalry arrives. They can disarm the bad guy and render medical aid after they cuff me. It's not worth getting shot trying to disarm or do CPR on someone I just had to shoot.

Maybe not the right answer, but it's the best I've got.