To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
And that is what you are going to base your case for police involvement in a bunch of these domestic issues? Emotions?


I would first ask him to leave and then it would likely get physical after that if they don't listen to reason. Maybe some neighbors jump in. Maybe it gets lethal. Then the police and ambulances can come and take one or both to jail and/or one or both to the hospital. Let the courts sort it out at that point.

If only we had laws in place to allow homeowners/private individuals to use the same level of lethal force on their property that the cops can use anywhere they go. But you have argued against that, also.
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So why would you get violent over a mask issue just to get them off your property? See how dumb that sounds in retrospect. And there are literally thousands of incidents everyday but police deescalate or solve the issue when citizens couldn’t. But you never care about those, just the ones you disagree with the police to use force which is a very very small % of any incident.
where have I argued for homeowners not to have self defense of their property? I believe the laws and standards of self defense are pretty self explanatory whether they are police or not
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So why would you get violent over a mask issue just to get them off your property? See how dumb that sounds in retrospect. And there are literally thousands of incidents everyday but police deescalate or solve the issue when citizens couldn’t. But you never care about those, just the ones you disagree with the police to use force which is a very very small % of any incident.
where have I argued for homeowners not to have self defense of their property? I believe the laws and standards of self defense are pretty self explanatory whether they are police or not
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Look at the scenario you created.

sitting on a lawn chair with a sign that says “this man is anti science” while screaming at you and your neighbors.
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Also, I didn't invite this guy to my home, either.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Look at the scenario you created.



Also, I didn't invite this guy to my home, either.
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So what? You think some movie theater invited anti mask people to protest and disrupt their business? Private property is private property and you can ask anyone to leave at any time for any reason. No one has a right to do whatever they want on your property. Ever. Which is the point and you are saying it’s ok for you to remove said person but not a business or police it’s the exact same thing.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So what? You think some movie theater invited anti mask people to protest and disrupt their business? Private property is private property and you can ask anyone to leave at any time for any reason. No one has a right to do whatever they want on your property. Ever. Which is the point and you are saying it’s ok for you to remove said person but not a business or police it’s the exact same thing.
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I didn't say it was not OK for a business to do anything. I simply asked is that a police matter.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So what? You think some movie theater invited anti mask people to protest and disrupt their business? Private property is private property and you can ask anyone to leave at any time for any reason. No one has a right to do whatever they want on your property. Ever. Which is the point and you are saying it’s ok for you to remove said person but not a business or police it’s the exact same thing.
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Does that apply to the police when they come onto your property without being invited?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
It can be because the person is refusing to leave said property and the business or property owner has no other recourse.
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This never was an option until the city/state of New York came up with these vaccine passports. If cops and businesses never had to worry about these things 2 years ago, why do it now?

Look, you can come on here and throw out every hypothetical situation you want, I've already made my case that there is a time for cops to be involved and a time when they need to let people work things out on their own.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
This never was an option until the city/state of New York came up with these vaccine passports. If cops and businesses never had to worry about these things 2 years ago, why do it now?

Look, you can come on here and throw out every hypothetical situation you want, I've already made my case that there is a time for cops to be involved and a time when they need to let people work things out on their own.
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What wasn’t an option? Police were called on trespassing for years before Covid ever existed You can disagree with owners calling police to remove people who won’t leave, but there’s nothing wrong with it
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What wasn’t an option? Police were called on trespassing for years before Covid ever existed You can disagree with owners calling police to remove people who won’t leave, but there’s nothing wrong with it
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Expelling people for masks and vaccine passports, sir.
 
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utvolpj said:
I think we're close to crossing the line where people still believe cops would be on their side vs a tyrannical govt
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In some places that line was crossed long ago. Northern Virginia comes to mind. Of course there are exceptions, but many there have an 'I am your overlord' attitude.
 
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VolFaninFla said:
Deputizing gone wild: Federal task forces give state and local cops ridiculously broad immunity
Another fringe benefit is even more valuable: legal immunity from constitutional lawsuits.
No consequences = no justice
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This ruling should be thrown in with Plessy v Ferguson and Dred Scott. The SCOTUS simply got it wrong.

But in 1982, the U.S. Supreme Court created the doctrine of “qualified immunity,” which protects all local, state and federal government employees from legal liability, unless they violated a “clearly established” right, a requirement that often means finding a precedent with practically identical facts.
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