To the flagpole this morning

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SavageOrangeJug

SavageOrangeJug

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Radical swings to the other side should be expected after electing the Ernest T. Bass of politicians to be POTUS in 2000 and again in 2004.
 
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TennTradition said:
Radical swings to the other side should be expected after electing the Ernest T. Bass of politicians to be POTUS in 2000 and again in 2004.
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If GW hadn't scr#w#d up so badly McCain would have walked away with this one. This country did not want 4 more years of bottom of the class leadership.
 
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Bush wasn't running this time around.

I don't understand the logic. Bush is bad, so Obama is obviously going to be good?

Bush was bad. No arguement there. Obama is going to be worse.
 
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If George Bush had had a Congress that didn't fight him every step of the way, he could have accomplished more. Today is a day of mourning for me. I am wearing black because my ideals and hopes for America have died. And that's all I'm saying about that.
 
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LadyinOrange said:
If George Bush had had a Congress that didn't fight him every step of the way, he could have accomplished more. Today is a day of mourning for me. I am wearing black because my ideals and hopes for America have died. And that's all I'm saying about that.
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It's going to be worse. Obama has a Congress that won't fight him.
 
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LadyinOrange said:
If George Bush had had a Congress that didn't fight him every step of the way, he could have accomplished more.
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Bush's real problem was that he didn't have congress to oppose him the first 6 years.

Obama will have the same problem. Unfettered access to power appears to be a huge problem in politics. Bush and Carter were the last two to have majorities on their own team. Both were epically poor Chiefs. I will never again vote for someone who'll have a sympathetic congress.
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LadyinOrange said:
If George Bush had had a Congress that didn't fight him every step of the way, he could have accomplished more. Today is a day of mourning for me. I am wearing black because my ideals and hopes for America have died. And that's all I'm saying about that.
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He had majorities in both houses...if Congress was successful in fighting Bush later in (and in the middle of) his presidency it was probably because he sold all of his political clout before his first term was up.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Bush's real problem was that he didn't have congress to oppose him the first 6 years.

Obama will have the same problem. Unfettered access to power appears to be a huge problem in politics. Bush and Carter were the last two to have majorities on their own team. Both were epically poor Chiefs. I will never again vote for someone who'll have a sympathetic congress.
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Meet the choir :hi:
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Bush wasn't running this time around.

I don't understand the logic. Bush is bad, so Obama is obviously going to be good?

Bush was bad. No arguement there. Obama is going to be worse.
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You may not understand it, but I hope you see it. You can't expect to push the country as far in one direction as we have over the last 8 years...and not expect a backlash.

You can go ahead and mark it down...Obama will have both houses of congress on his side (just like Bush did early), and they will make mistakes in the other direction...and there could perhaps be an even stronger swing back in the other direction.

All I know is that from a controls standpoint, this kind of oscillation is not good with regard to system stability....
 
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LadyinOrange said:
If George Bush had had a Congress that didn't fight him every step of the way, he could have accomplished more. Today is a day of mourning for me. I am wearing black because my ideals and hopes for America have died. And that's all I'm saying about that.
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Which Congress? The Republican controlled first 6 or the last 2 of gridlock? Could the Congress have supported him more in the first 6?
 
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TennTradition said:
You may not understand it, but I hope you see it. You can't expect to push the country as far in one direction as we have over the last 8 years...and not expect a backlash.
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how far right did we actually move? Maybe the Supreme court, but both of those guys appear center right at worst. Other than that, Bush was left fiscally.

Are you talking about the hawkishness?
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BigPapaVol said:
how far right did we actually move? Maybe the Supreme court, but both of those guys appear center right at worst. Other than that, Bush was left fiscally.

Are you talking about the hawkishness?
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I think that it was the neocon agenda that was rejected more than anything...so yes, the hawkishness. The direction was less a wealth of conservative policies and more a few agendas/actions that pushed popular support in one direction (approval ratings down for Bush's party).

However, I think that there are a few social issues that could have been at play, though McCain actually was left enough of Bush on those that they didn't become campaign issues.
 
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Of course we are all speculating on what we think BHO will do in office, but I agree with Savage, it is entirely possible that there will be a litany of radical left changes made through all three branches. These changes could very well leave us with a country that looks more like some Euro-trash union than America.

Will it happen? I don't know.

I do know that this is the greatest potential threat to the American way of life that we have faced since WWII. I can only see BHO moving center-left if he sees a ground swell of opposition to his radical agenda.
 
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TennTradition said:
I think that it was the neocon agenda that was rejected more than anything...so yes, the hawkishness.

However, I think that there are a few social issues that could have been at play, though McCain actually was left enough of Bush on those that they didn't become campaign issues.
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which Social issues. His ridiculous court the church move never really resulted in anything, save some stem cell research prohibition, if I recall.
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hohenfelsvol said:
You must of gotten one of the interest only loans. Sorry.
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Not a chance. Former mortgage broker here.

Fixed rate 15 year term max or you can't afford it is my personal rule on that.

Not that I had any objections to other types of financing if the customer had no objections.
 
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I think that a lot of people are tentative about how he will lead, to say the least. The fact that congress will likely give him a blank check is indeed troubling (and it would be if it were the other way around as well). I hope a lot of blue-dog democrats got elected last night in the extra seats that were picked up in the house....but probably not. Because...they will be a thorn in the side of Obama and Pelosi...if their coalition is big enough to have an impact.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
which Social issues. His ridiculous court the church move never really resulted in anything, save some stem cell research prohibition, if I recall.
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Actually stem cell research is the one I had in mind, and I'm pretty sure that McCain has a softer position on that. I suppose you could also lump acceptance or rejection of the scientific basis for climate change since that has become "religilous" in the realm of politics - but it isn't a true social issue.

My point was made almost exclusively pointing to the neocon agenda and that a lot of America was not happy with the spending or the results.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
Not a chance. Former mortgage broker here.

Fixed rate 15 year term max or you can't afford it is my personal rule on that.

Not that I had any objections to other types of financing if the customer had no objections.
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Absolutely freaking 100% correct! And now I'm pissed that I'll probably be paying for other people's mortgages that didn't follow that rule. I'm responsible and end up getting screwed.
 
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