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Unimane said:
I love the Pearlophobes comparisons to Green, it's almost comical. Ok,on the front end, tell me how much talent O'Neill left Green as compared to Peterson to Pearl? I remember three McD's AAs that fell into his lap, along with an unreal amount of talent to complement them. Pearl had Lofton and Major Wingate (Plus, I know how much you love Dane Bradshaw, who was a very good role player, IMO, but not AA material.)

On the tail end, tell me what the talent was brought in by the two, in comparison. Andy Ikeakor vs. Kenny Hall? Brandon Crump vs. Jordan McRae? Uncle Jed making all of 4 recruiting trips his last year is far worse than your BS rankling of Pearl for his time in the Maccabi Games. I also don't remember Pearl losing by 30 to a directional school from Missouri and his players hating his guts.

Yeah, they're not the same. Nice try, though.

But, anyway, as far as salaries go, I believe Pearl is third in the SEC. Not exactly "elite" and, considering he has the best record in the SEC over that time, a pretty good investment.

Also, as far as "competing with South Carolina and Vandy or UConn", well let's take a look at Pearl's 4 years as a comparison:

UConn-7 NCAA wins (out of 3 qualified)
Tennessee- 5 NCAA wins (out of all 4 qualified)
Vandy- 2 NCAA wins (out of 2 qualified)
USC- 0 NCAA wins (0 qualified)

So, which ones are we closer to?
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Pearl is behind a guy who has two National Championships and the hottest name in coaching right now. To act like him being third means he's undervalued is laughable. He's making more than Jim Calhoun, which is a disagrace.
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Unimane said:
That's the dumbest crap on here yet. You should leave the Pearl BS to hat, he does it with more style and intelligence than you. I'll break down just how dumb your post is after I drop off my son at school, but I thought I'd give you an opportunity to review your post and make some changes, maybe check some roster's of the McDonald's game.
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you might try to break down the dumb, but you're the one arguing for the guy with Sweet 16, at best, in his resume is the savior. The McD AAs are immaterial to me. I know of two. Maybe there was a third, who cares. Inheriting a bunch of underachieving NBA bodies with no drive is hardly anything to scream about. Green's failure was never requiring more. Regardless, his resume boasts the same achievements as that of your boy. In fact, the play on the floor was even similar. Both disorganized, limited effort on D and lackadaisical rebounding. Maybe you'll tell me about how hard we press and go after inbounds. Last I checked, teams that can't play in the half court, cannot win, period.

The man needs a PG and has yet to find one, period. Uptempo basketball teams absolutely have to have one. Any team hoping to play any D, has to have one who can keep a guy in front of him at least part of the time. Ramar could, but that recruitment and UT career are more about the shame of Pearl than brilliance.
 
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Unimane said:
That's the dumbest crap on here yet. You should leave the Pearl BS to hat, he does it with more style and intelligence than you. I'll break down just how dumb your post is after I drop off my son at school, but I thought I'd give you an opportunity to review your post and make some changes, maybe check some roster's of the McDonald's game.
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I'm awaiting. If the McDonald's game is what you have, don't bother. If you want to discuss NCAA resumes and play on the floor, I'm all ears. I have yet to hear you utter one word about the horrendous D or disorganized O that we giggle about each week of the season.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Pearl is behind a guy who has two National Championships and the hottest name in coaching right now. To act like him being third means he's undervalued is laughable. He's making more than Jim Calhoun, which is a disagrace.
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Hmmm, something tells me you wouldn't be so charitable if Pearl failed to make a tourney and flamed out to San Diego within the last four years.

And Calhoun's in the last year of his contract. I imagine he'll make more than Pearl and did, until this past year. You should know that coach's salaries have taken a sharp upswing the last couple of years and the reason why Pearl makes more is that he renegotiated during this time and Calhoun didn't.

As usual, misleading facts. At least we agree on the worthlessness of Jerry Green, although I'm sure it's just a matter of time until you try and make some kind of comparison between Fulmer and Pearl.
 
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Unimane said:
Hmmm, something tells me you wouldn't be so charitable if Pearl failed to make a tourney and flamed out to San Diego within the last four years.

And Calhoun's in the last year of his contract. I imagine he'll make more than Pearl and did, until this past year. You should know that coach's salaries have taken a sharp upswing the last couple of years and the reason why Pearl makes more is that he renegotiated during this time and Calhoun didn't.

As usual, misleading facts. At least we agree on the worthlessness of Jerry Green, although I'm sure it's just a matter of time until you try and make some kind of comparison between Fulmer and Pearl.
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Donovan gets eviscerated around here, but to presume that his 2 titles didn't earn him the money is senseless. The guy can't coach, but he can damn sure recruit. People get paid for that.

There was nothing more misleading about the comment than your garbage NCAA tourney resume comparison.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm awaiting. If the McDonald's game is what you have, don't bother. If you want to discuss NCAA resumes and play on the floor, I'm all ears. I have yet to hear you utter one word about the horrendous D or disorganized O that we giggle about each week of the season.
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Who is this "we"? The circle jerk of four or so UT "fans" laughing at one of the 75% of the games he's won?

As for the above post, I addressed the North Carolina comparison and the lunacy of measuring success or failure by trying to keep up with possibly the best program in history that has won 2 out of the last 5 titles.

As for the comparisons to S. Carolina and Vandy, no one, NO ONE is making those comaprisons except for hat when he was, as usual, talking out of his ass. I'm not even going to bother with this one, it's beyond stupid, just look at the results. Do I even need to mention which one has a 30 win season and a number one ranking on his resume? Or, how about the fact that Green has the term "Assistant" stapled to his job title ever since leaving UT and Pearl would get hired within a day were he to leave UT?

As for Green, yeah they're the same......except for the fact that Green was crashing the program with his (lack of) recruiting, had zero respect from his players, lost by 30 to a directional school in the NCAA tournament, lost three times to mid majors in the tourney, underachieved each year but his first and had his players quit on him.

Furthermore, he had 3 wins to Pearl's 5 in the NCAA's, finished 3rd or worse in the SEC East twice and didn't even come close to sniffing the weekend in the SEC Tournanment-1 win in 4 years. All this while being hand delivered Final Four calibur talent by O'Neil. (BTW, it was Hathaway, Harris and Yarbrough for the AAs).
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Donovan gets eviscerated around here, but to presume that his 2 titles didn't earn him the money is senseless. The guy can't coach, but he can damn sure recruit. People get paid for that.

There was nothing more misleading about the comment than your garbage NCAA tourney resume comparison.
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Not as garbage as a supposed UT fan eviscerating its most successful coach in its over 100 year existence.

And, you didn't show anything with your convoluted "wins per appearance" argument. Would a coach who makes it to the Final Four one year, then has three losing seasons be considered equal to Pearl because his average was 1.00 to Pearl's 1.25?
 
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Unimane said:
Hmmm, something tells me you wouldn't be so charitable if Pearl failed to make a tourney and flamed out to San Diego within the last four years.

And Calhoun's in the last year of his contract. I imagine he'll make more than Pearl and did, until this past year. You should know that coach's salaries have taken a sharp upswing the last couple of years and the reason why Pearl makes more is that he renegotiated during this time and Calhoun didn't.

As usual, misleading facts. At least we agree on the worthlessness of Jerry Green, although I'm sure it's just a matter of time until you try and make some kind of comparison between Fulmer and Pearl.
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How is losing to San Diego any worse than losing to Wichita State in the second round as a 2 seed? AJ Price shredded his knee in the UCONN loss. Who got hurt for Tennessee?
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Unimane said:
Who is this "we"? The circle jerk of four or so UT "fans" laughing at one of the 75% of the games he's won?

As for the above post, I addressed the North Carolina comparison and the lunacy of measuring success or failure by trying to keep up with possibly the best program in history that has won 2 out of the last 5 titles.

As for the comparisons to S. Carolina and Vandy, no one, NO ONE is making those comaprisons except for hat when he was, as usual, talking out of his ass. I'm not even going to bother with this one, it's beyond stupid, just look at the results. Do I even need to mention which one has a 30 win season and a number one ranking on his resume? Or, how about the fact that Green has the term "Assistant" stapled to his job title ever since leaving UT and Pearl would get hired within a day were he to leave UT?

As for Green, yeah they're the same......except for the fact that Green was crashing the program with his (lack of) recruiting, had zero respect from his players, lost by 30 to a directional school in the NCAA tournament, lost three times to mid majors in the tourney, underachieved each year but his first and had his players quit on him.

Furthermore, he had 3 wins to Pearl's 5 in the NCAA's, finished 3rd or worse in the SEC East twice and didn't even come close to sniffing the weekend in the SEC Tournanment-1 win in 4 years. All this while being hand delivered Final Four calibur talent by O'Neil. (BTW, it was Hathaway, Harris and Yarbrough for the AAs).
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Who did Tennessee finish with the same SEC record as last season? South Carolina.
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hatvol96 said:
How is losing to San Diego any worse than losing to Wichita State in the second round as a 2 seed. AJ Price shredded his knee in the UCONN loss. Who got hurt for Tennessee?
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You mean a team that still had Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinson and Jeff Adrian versus a team that overachieved (and was overseeded) and had hit the wall a few weeks earlier? What about the year they didn't make the tourney?

Also, I remember that year being a very solid one for the MVC, four tourney bids, as opposed to the WCC for San Diego. Nice try, but not quite equal.
 
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Unimane said:
Well, of course you aren't excited by them, they're going, or likely, to play for Pearl.
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True, choosing to cast your lot with a guy whose best players end up in second rate European leagues indicates a troubling lack of intelligence on the part of those recruits.
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hatvol96 said:
Who did Tennessee finish with the same SEC record as last season? South Carolina.
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Who did Tennessee sweep last year? South Carolina

Who tanked in the first round of the SEC Tournament last year? South Carolina

Who has not made the NCAA tournament in the time Pearl has been here? South Carolina

Yeah, you are so right, we definitely are on the same level as the Gamecocks.
 
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hatvol96 said:
True, choosing to cast your lot with a guy whose best players end up in second rate European leagues indicates a troubling lack of intelligence on the part of those recruits.
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You mean like the Golden State Warriors?
 
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Unimane said:
You mean a team that still had Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinson and Jeff Adrian versus a team that overachieved (and was overseeded) and had hit the wall a few weeks earlier? What about the year they didn't make the tourney?

Also, I remember that year being a very solid one for the MVC, four tourney bids, as opposed to the WCC for San Diego. Nice try, but not quite equal.
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They aren't equal. Failing to reach the second weekend of the tournament as a 2 seed is worse than missing the Sweet 16 as a 3 or 4.
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hatvol96 said:
They aren't equal. Failing to reach the second weekend of the tournament as a 2 seed is worse than missing the Sweet 16 as a 3 or 4.
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Except that that 3 or 4 seed failed to make the second round, not the Sweet 16. Oh, and lost to a team from a crap conference as opposed to a mid major conference having an exceptionally strong year. Your argument still sucks.
 
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Unimane said:
Not as garbage as a supposed UT fan eviscerating its most successful coach in its over 100 year existence.

And, you didn't show anything with your convoluted "wins per appearance" argument. Would a coach who makes it to the Final Four one year, then has three losing seasons be considered equal to Pearl because his average was 1.00 to Pearl's 1.25?
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again, there is no virtue among whores. He's clearly better than green, but not to the point of meriting a discussion about making dramatically more money.

I'm not saying the man isn't better than Green. He's much closer to Green than he is those really playing for the prize, period. That was the point, you know it. Lording over Green is hardly worthy of the discussion you're tossing about. Green was, by most accounts, a disaster of a coach and you detailed above. Again, it's very telling that you're measuring our guy against him rather than others and steeping said discussion in the fact that our history is pathetic. I sure wish Spurrier had bought into this idea.
 
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Unimane said:
Except that that 3 or 4 seed failed to make the second round, not the Sweet 16. Oh, and lost to a team from a crap conference as opposed to a mid major conference having an exceptionally strong year. Your argument still sucks.
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but you were just arguing that losing to mid majors sucks. You can't have it both ways, even if it does provide very, very hollow support for your guy.
 
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Unimane said:
You mean a team that still had Hasheem Thabeet, Stanley Robinson and Jeff Adrian versus a team that overachieved (and was overseeded) and had hit the wall a few weeks earlier? What about the year they didn't make the tourney?

Also, I remember that year being a very solid one for the MVC, four tourney bids, as opposed to the WCC for San Diego. Nice try, but not quite equal.
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yes, he means a team without a point guard cannot win in the tourney, period. Maybe you'll recall that price was one.
 
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Unimane said:
Except that that 3 or 4 seed failed to make the second round, not the Sweet 16. Oh, and lost to a team from a crap conference as opposed to a mid major conference having an exceptionally strong year. Your argument still sucks.
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The WCC was so bad that season it got two at large bids.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, that stop in the D-League had nothing to do with CJ getting into the League. Pearl just launched CJ straight into the big time.
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Except that Watson credits Pearl.

Also, remind me when Pearl's first real recruiting class graduates? Or if it's his fault that Buzz left him with the mess he did? Or if, it's Pearl's fault that Bradshaw didn't play for the Mavericks? Or that Lofton isn't tall enough?

So, you think that Tyler Smith, Scotty Hopson and Wayne Chism will be tooling around second rate European Leagues? What will happen to your BS arguments then?
 
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I love watching the Pearl honks try and compare a guy with two national titles to a guy whose resume consists of some Sweet 16s and bodypaint.
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Unimane said:
Except that Watson credits Pearl.

Also, remind me when Pearl's first real recruiting class graduates? Or if it's his fault that Buzz left him with the mess he did? Or if, it's Pearl's fault that Bradshaw didn't play for the Mavericks? Or that Lofton isn't tall enough?

So, you think that Tyler Smith, Scotty Hopson and Wayne Chism will be tooling around second rate European Leagues? What will happen to your BS arguments then?
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Tyler Smith is still in college. Opposing recruiters are having a field day with that on the recruitng trail. Wayne has the choice of starting to take the game seriously or learning a foreign language. I have no faith in Hopson accomplishing anything that requires toughness.
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Unimane said:
Except that Watson credits Pearl.

Also, remind me when Pearl's first real recruiting class graduates? Or if it's his fault that Buzz left him with the mess he did? Or if, it's Pearl's fault that Bradshaw didn't play for the Mavericks? Or that Lofton isn't tall enough?

So, you think that Tyler Smith, Scotty Hopson and Wayne Chism will be tooling around second rate European Leagues? What will happen to your BS arguments then?
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Of course Watson credits Pearl, much like Manning credits Fulmer. It's still garbage.

The BS arguments will be even more damning in that the guy couldn't pass the sweet 16 with a bunch of NBAers running around. Isn't that your damnation of Green? Oops.
 
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