Tom Brady.....even better than I thought he was.

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

In the last month you have embarrassingly debated other posters on the following: 1) Josh Dobbs would be a star in the NFL if only the coaches would give him a chance. Never mind the fact he can't even win a back-up job.
2) UT should leave the SEC because they're never getting out of the cellar in football
3) 4 or 5 other QBs would have won as many Super Bowls as Brady had they just played for Belicheck

You've maintained in every debate your opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

Hang in there

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I count a big fat 0% Super Bowl win percentage in those years without Tom Brady.

Lol! He is still coaching and it was only one year so far without Brady.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

It's embarrassing for you that you would even be making this argument. Yes. Tom Brady is Top 5. He's FAR AND AWAY the greatest of all time. It's not even close. Tom Brady has more Super Bowl victories (7) than any NFL franchise in its entire history. Let that sink in for a minute. He also has more Super Bowl wins than any other QB has even had Super Bowl appearances. Meanwhile, Tom Brady has appeared in 10 Super Bowls. At this point, anybody trying to deny that Tom Brady is the GOAT is just making a fool of himself.

Opinions vary. Brady had experienced physical teams under Belichek. Much stronger across the board than Manning’s finesse Colts teams. That’s what was winning SB’s in those years.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I know it because of your posts. You're delusional as to the validity of your opinion on the matter

 

[MAD]

 

[99gator]

Five games into the 2021 season.....

Brady is first in the NFL in completions, attempts, passing yards and top 5 in TD passes and QB rating so far this season. He has also only thrown 2 interceptions in 225 pass attempts.

He is 44 years old

 

[HoptownVol]

Lol! He is still coaching and it was only one year so far without Brady.

Right, and that one year without Belichick joining a marginally talented team that hadn't been to the playoffs since the 2007 season and VOILA .... ring #7 at age 43 with no end in sight. See this is your problem, Brady is the X Factor. Not Belichick, not these "powerhouse" Patriot teams that only exist in your twisted mind, its Tom F'ing Brady. Like Willie McGinest said as far back as 2002....."Tom Brady makes everybody on both sides of the ball better." That was true in NE and now it has manifested in Tampa.

(Mind numbing nonsense IN-COMING!)

 

[GetEmVols]

Five games into the 2021 season.....

Brady is first in the NFL in completions, attempts, passing yards and top 5 in TD passes and QB rating so far this season. He has also only thrown 2 interceptions in 225 pass attempts.

He is 44 years old

Yeah he is the goat. Small forehead though.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Right, and that one year without Belichick joining a marginally talented team that hadn't been to the playoffs since the 2007 season and VOILA .... ring #7 at age 43 with no end in sight. See this is your problem, Brady is the X Factor. Not Belichick, not these "powerhouse" Patriot teams that only exist in your twisted mind, its Tom F'ing Brady. Like Willie McGinest said as far back as 2002....."Tom Brady makes everybody on both sides of the ball better." That was true in NE and now it has manifested in Tampa.

(Mind numbing nonsense IN-COMING!)

Brady picked a team to go to that had all the pieces coming together just like Manning did when he went to Denver. They both seriously evaluated or studied the best place to land.

 

[HoptownVol]

Brady picked a team to go to that had all the pieces coming together just like Manning did when he went to Denver. They both seriously evaluated or studied the best place to land.

OY! Tebow went 7-4 with that Denver team and won a playoff game against the mighty Steelers, they were loaded. The Bucs were 7-9 before Brady arrived, he was always going to Florida... either Tampa or Miami and thats exactly how it worked out. BTW I don't recall Manning winning any playoff games his first year in Denver, but I do remember the spanking he took vs the Seahawks. Too bad he didn't have Belichick to grease the skids for him. LOL

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

OY! Tebow went 7-4 with that Denver team and won a playoff game against the mighty Steelers, they were loaded. The Bucs were 7-9 before Brady arrived, he was always going to Florida... either Tampa or Miami and thats exactly how it worked out. BTW I don't recall Manning winning any playoff games his first year in Denver, but I do remember the spanking he took vs the Seahawks. Too bad he didn't have Belichick to grease the skids for him. LOL

Bottom line IMO. Manning wins many Sb’s and Brady is lucky to even win one if their teams were switched. I have felt that for many years and will continue to.

Regarding Tampa Bay , how was there defense ranked before Brady arrived? How much was the team upgraded from the year before excluding Brady ? A lot of factors were on the table when Brady made his decision to go there.

 

[HoptownVol]

Bottom line IMO. Manning wins many Sb’s and Brady is lucky to even win one if their teams were switched. I have felt that for many years and will continue to.

Regarding Tampa Bay , how was there defense ranked before Brady arrived? How much was the team upgraded from the year before excluding Brady ? A lot of factors were on the table when Brady made his decision to go there.

WRONG! Brady would have won multiple super bowls in Denver and the Bucs defense was at the bottom of the league in 2019. And through November 2020 they were 7-5 before they went on an unbelievable run as a wild card to crush the mighty Chiefs behind the only upgrade that mattered, and BTW he just added another Super Bowl MVP to his resume. Brady has 5 of those to Peyton's one. ROTFF

OH and BTW, it was always only Tampa or Miami for this simple reason.....



And you don't know this but Brady is building (or has built) a $20M house in Indian Creek/Miami so its not like he had any interest in going to Chicago or Charlotte or anywhere else but those two cities, regardless of talent.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Bottom line IMO. Manning wins many Sb’s and Brady is lucky to even win one if their teams were switched. I have felt that for many years and will continue to.

Regarding Tampa Bay , how was there defense ranked before Brady arrived? How much was the team upgraded from the year before excluding Brady ? A lot of factors were on the table when Brady made his decision to go there.

Are you still spouting your uninformed BS? Your opinion doesn't stack up on the matter no matter how often you repeat it. Brady is better than Manning

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Bottom line IMO. Manning wins many Sb’s and Brady is lucky to even win one if their teams were switched. I have felt that for many years and will continue to.

Regarding Tampa Bay , how was there defense ranked before Brady arrived? How much was the team upgraded from the year before excluding Brady ? A lot of factors were on the table when Brady made his decision to go there.

Switch Joe Montana and Dan Marino in the 80s. Take Troy Aikman off the Cowboys. You can "what if" many QBs and say if you switch the other would be better.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Are you still spouting your uninformed BS? Your opinion doesn't stack up on the matter no matter how often you repeat it. Brady is better than Manning

I disagree and I only post when someone responds to a previous post I have made, in your case my post was 7 months old when you replied to it.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

WRONG! Brady would have won multiple super bowls in Denver and the Bucs defense was at the bottom of the league in 2019. And through November 2020 they were 7-5 before they went on an unbelievable run as a wild card to crush the mighty Chiefs behind the only upgrade that mattered, and BTW he just added another Super Bowl MVP to his resume. Brady has 5 of those to Peyton's one. ROTFF

OH and BTW, it was always only Tampa or Miami for this simple reason.....

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And you don't know this but Brady is building (or has built) a $20M house in Indian Creek/Miami so its not like he had any interest in going to Chicago or Charlotte or anywhere else but those two cities, regardless of talent.

I disagree with your opinion. Manning likely would of duplicated SB wins at New England plus he maybe wins 1 or 2 more against his little brother. My position is not going to change. Now would of Manning been able to compete as well as Brady after the age of 40? Unlikely since he only made it to 39. But who knows, maybe he doesn’t have the neck problems at New England. I believe one hit against the Redskins possibly created the neck injury later but that is pure speculation.

 

[HoptownVol]

I disagree with your opinion. Manning likely would of duplicated SB wins at New England plus he maybe wins 1 or 2 more against his little brother. My position is not going to change. Now would of Manning been able to compete as well as Brady after the age of 40? Unlikely since he only made it to 39. But who knows, maybe he doesn’t have the neck problems at New England. I believe one hit against the Redskins possibly created the neck injury later but that is pure speculation.

Its still the dumbest opinion I've ever seen anybody married too. Your obstinance aside, now you're even speculating about when Peyton was injured... thats irrelevant especially in light of the fact that Brady has taken almost twice as many sacks. Another fact is this... Peyton went to a loaded Denver team and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs then got obliterated by the Seahawks in Year 2. On the other hand Brady takes over a mediocre 7-9 team out of the shadows of the world's most overrated coach and takes home a Lombardi and an MVP trophy. If I had opinions like yours I'd keep them to myself rather than advertise the level of dain bramage you're operating with.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

I disagree with your opinion. Manning likely would of duplicated SB wins at New England plus he maybe wins 1 or 2 more against his little brother. My position is not going to change. Now would of Manning been able to compete as well as Brady after the age of 40? Unlikely since he only made it to 39. But who knows, maybe he doesn’t have the neck problems at New England. I believe one hit against the Redskins possibly created the neck injury later but that is pure speculation.

Manning was terrible at 39. Brady is better at 44 than Manning was when he first went to Denver at 35

 

[firestorm]

I enjoy watching Brady attempt to run because he can't run to save his life since he still looks like he's jogging except [t I still recall he looked impressive running the fastest he could during a terrible snap in the Super Bowl that had his Bucs embarrassing a great Chiefs team.

I enjoy that Tom Brady has more SB Appearances and more SB Wins than Joe Montana aka The Comeback Kid and AKA Joe Cool, and because Brady at age 44 has proven great since he can still perform like he is in his 20s.

 

[CardsNVols]

I disagree with your opinion. Manning likely would of duplicated SB wins at New England plus he maybe wins 1 or 2 more against his little brother. My position is not going to change. Now would of Manning been able to compete as well as Brady after the age of 40? Unlikely since he only made it to 39. But who knows, maybe he doesn’t have the neck problems at New England. I believe one hit against the Redskins possibly created the neck injury later but that is pure speculation.

I don't think you get it.

Brady isn't just the GOAT, he's the GOAT of all time. The G stands specifically for "GOAT of all time", like an infinity mirror, meaning each subsequent G creates a new level of GOAT-ness, infinitely enhancing his status as the GOAT.

It's kind of like RIP in peace. As in, "RIP in peace, all other QB's chances at GOAT-status!"

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I don't think you get it.

Brady isn't just the GOAT, he's the GOAT of all time. The G stands specifically for "GOAT of all time", like an infinity mirror, meaning each subsequent G creates a new level of GOAT-ness, infinitely enhancing his status as the GOAT.

It's kind of like RIP in peace. As in, "RIP in peace, all other QB's chances at GOAT-status!"

I disagree. He was the benefactor of a great organization and arguably the best coach of all time as far as developing players and installing game plans against opponents There are a handful of Qb’s who would have done just as well as Brady.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Manning was terrible at 39. Brady is better at 44 than Manning was when he first went to Denver at 35

Manning at 39 was spent. Manning at 35 is as good as it gets.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Its still the dumbest opinion I've ever seen anybody married too. Your obstinance aside, now you're even speculating about when Peyton was injured... thats irrelevant especially in light of the fact that Brady has taken almost twice as many sacks. Another fact is this... Peyton went to a loaded Denver team and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs then got obliterated by the Seahawks in Year 2. On the other hand Brady takes over a mediocre 7-9 team out of the shadows of the world's most overrated coach and takes home a Lombardi and an MVP trophy. If I had opinions like yours I'd keep them to myself rather than advertise the level of dain bramage you're operating with.

I could care less if you think it is dumb. It is my opinion in a hypothetical situation so you will just have to
get over it.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Manning at 39 was spent. Manning at 35 is as good as it gets.

Yeah, he was great at 35, but didn't have the down field arm Brady still possesses at 44. Manning's greatness was in large part to having a firm grasp on his strengths and weaknesses. The passing game schematics he implemented in Denver were brilliant. Manning was a master at making good WRs look great. Was great at it in college. He made Marcus Nash into a first rounder. Kent got to play in the league too because of Manning. I will never try to diminish his greatness. With that being said, I can also acknowledge Brady has been even better. Even Manning acknowledges it, along with almost everyone who has coached or played the game for a living. With all due respect, your opinion doesn't stack up against those guys.

Edit: Marvin Harrison is a HOFer because of Manning

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

Yeah, he was great at 35, but didn't have the down field arm Brady still possesses at 44. Manning's greatness was in large part to having a firm grasp on his strengths and weaknesses. The passing game schematics he implemented in Denver were brilliant. Manning was a master at making good WRs look great. Was great at it in college. He made Marcus Nash into a first rounder. Kent got to play in the league too because of Manning. I will never try to diminish his greatness. With that being said, I can also acknowledge Brady has been even better. Even Manning acknowledges it, along with almost everyone who has coached or played the game for a living. With all due respect, your opinion doesn't stack up against those guys.

Never heard Manning say he was the best unless I missed it. They both on the surface acknowledge the others accomplishments. Again the teams at NE were more physical with veteran no-nonsense players with attitude like Brusci that mimicked their coach than the finesse Colts in those years and that is why NE was winning Sb’s. Brady was part of a team just like Peyton was at Denver his last year in their Sb win. Plus Brady was gifted two Sb’s against Atlanta and Seattle. He actually was very fortunate not to have 4 Suoerbowl losses.

Edit: Never talked about arm strength. Neither Manning and Montana were noted for arm strength and I do not believe it is a factor when discussing the best Qb’s of all time. All had the adequate arm strength to get the job done.