Tough but effective?

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Spartacavolus said:
And Stokes walked on campus as a double double. His defense and offensive skill set hasn't improved. He has the same offensive weapons he showed up with, minus a couple that have disappeared.
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I agree. When stokes first came on campus he was the real deal and everyone was wondering if he would even come back the next year. He has fallen backwards in his game, partly because he needs a true center to draw off some defensive heat and a coach who understands spacing.
 
#27
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Spartacavolus said:
And Stokes walked on campus as a double double. His defense and offensive skill set hasn't improved. He has the same offensive weapons he showed up with, minus a couple that have disappeared.
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It amazes me that Stokes hasn't developed a jumper, a baby hook etc. He's effectively a rebounder and a trash man . . . which every team needs, but he all too often looks like a role player.
 
#28
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Spartacavolus said:
Then answer the mutiple questions I posed regarding traes improvement in basketball skills. He didn't improve in any of those categories. Can you give me 2 areas of improvement from a freshman to Jr? I can give you a dozen where he didn't.
One good game or two out of 25+ doesnt mean improvement to me, especially when he's benched soon thereafter.
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Trae improved. Took a huge jump between freshman and sophomore year. Him being benched had nothing to do with his skill level. Not sure why you bring that up.

He didn't have one or two good games out of 25. He was the most important player on our team the past two years and had an uncanny ability to completely vanish.
 
#29
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knowthevols said:
I agree. When stokes first came on campus he was the real deal and everyone was wondering if he would even come back the next year. He has fallen backwards in his game, partly because he needs a true center to draw off some defensive heat and a coach who understands spacing.
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I keep saying the same thing. At 6'8" with limited jumping ability, he needs help down low if for no other reason than to get match ups with Forwards instead of Centers with long arms.
 
#30
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GAVol said:
I keep saying the same thing. At 6'8" with limited jumping ability, he needs help down low if for no other reason than to get match ups with Forwards instead of Centers with long arms.
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I posted in another thread that Davis needs to be pressed into service to help with length. Virginia has a 6'11" center and I worry about that tonight.
 
#31
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whocaresgobobcats said:
most players seem to have regressed under CCM.

Sparty has mentioned it several times and I agree, this is not the same Stokes we saw in his first game vs UK
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Which specific player has regressed? McRae , Stokes , and Maymon have all improved every year under Martin.
 
#32
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GAVol said:
It amazes me that Stokes hasn't developed a jumper, a baby hook etc. He's effectively a rebounder and a trash man . . . which every team needs, but he all too often looks like a role player.
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-power step to his rt with a little jump hook that he can get over taller players to compensate for his size rather than going up in their faces as they just put their arms straight up
-same thing to his left
-multiple up and under moves/draw fouls off of those moves
-face up jumper off the square


You can develop those in just a few weeks with the right coaches and work ethic.
He takes the ball lower below his knees with wasted dribbles while down low and trying to finish now than he did when he showed up on campus.
 
#33
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BigZiti09 said:
Trae improved. Took a huge jump between freshman and sophomore year. Him being benched had nothing to do with his skill level. Not sure why you bring that up.

He didn't have one or two good games out of 25. He was the most important player on our team the past two years and had an uncanny ability to completely vanish.
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=progression?

He never got a left hand, never became a vocal leader, got too heavy, got slower, and mentally checked out more often.
His move/s ability when he got here was to hit the 3, drive hard to his right and be strong enough to finish at times, and a little floater pullup. That's what he left with, except more mental issues.
 
#34
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I think Stokes is a Zach Randolph type player who will be very active on the backboards while taking up space inside on defense by taking some charges and blocking his man out on the glass.
 
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knowthevols said:
I posted in another thread that Davis needs to be pressed into service to help with length. Virginia has a 6'11" center and I worry about that tonight.
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and we should run that 6'11 guy to death to take him out of his comfort zone in a halfcourt game.
Stokes can beat a bigger man down the court and likes to do it. Been saying that all year and all you have to do is look at his face and energy when he is getting up and down the court. He knows he has trouble finishing with length already set and help d coming and wants to get down there and make something happen before the d gets set. Problem is, as we all know, we tend to walk it up and not attack presses or zone, or attack early in the shot clock. We did against Morehead. I just have my doubts we will tonight. Hope I'm wrong.
 
#36
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sport3500 said:
I think Stokes is a Zach Randolph type player who will be very active on the backboards while taking up space inside on defense by taking some charges and blocking his man out on the glass.
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Randolph has an offensive game and multiple ways to finish, including the ball barely touching his fingertips on offensive rebounds and back in the basket before the other team even sees the ball coming off.
 
#37
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Spartacavolus said:
=progression?

He never got a left hand, never became a vocal leader, got too heavy, got slower, and mentally checked out more often.
His move/s ability when he got here was to hit the 3, drive hard to his right and be strong enough to finish at times, and a little floater pullup. That's what he left with, except more mental issues.
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So Trae having a crappy attitude is on Martin? I think he improved while he was here. He was twice as good as Mel Goins by the time he was dismissed. If he was that good as a frosh he would have played more and had more of an impact.
 
#38
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BigZiti09 said:
So Trae having a crappy attitude is on Martin? I think he improved while he was here. He was twice as good as Mel Goins by the time he was dismissed. If he was that good as a frosh he would have played more and had more of an impact.
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Trae not learning how to dribble with his left hand, working on passing, staying in shape, staying focused and not being a good leader is why Trae isn't on the team anymore.
Sounds like a failure on both parts to me.
 
#39
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Spartacavolus said:
-power step to his rt with a little jump hook that he can get over taller players to compensate for his size rather than going up in their faces as they just put their arms straight up
-same thing to his left
-multiple up and under moves/draw fouls off of those moves
-face up jumper off the square


You can develop those in just a few weeks with the right coaches and work ethic.
He takes the ball lower below his knees with wasted dribbles while down low and trying to finish now than he did when he showed up on campus.
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It's clear that he just doesn't quite understand how to create space. If he ever learns how to use his butt to create contact/space and develops a little touch, he'd be a monster.
 
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whocaresgobobcats said:
richardson's had the same mid range game he had when he walked on campus.
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You're right, I must have been hallucinating when I looked at the numbers saying he was a 20% three point shooter and now is a 40% three point shooter/

why no mention of Trae's regression. Or Barton's.
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What area has Barton regressed? His assists are up, his a:to is a career high...so his three point percentage has gone from 40% to 36.5% WOW!
 
#41
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bleedingTNorange said:
You're right, I must have been hallucinating when I looked at the numbers saying he was a 20% three point shooter and now is a 40% three point shooter/



What area has Barton regressed? His assists are up, his a:to is a career high...so his three point percentage has gone from 40% to 36.5% WOW!
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People thjnk Barton regressed because over the summer this board hyped him up to be something he's not. I think some people think he is his brother. Seriously. I know I've corrected at least one person who thought that.
 
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calban said:
Don't think it's really about improvement.
You've got a bunch of talented guys playing in a system and for a coach that stifles talent because he doesn't know how to adjust and use it.
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I would agree with this over those saying players haven't developed.
 
#46
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I haven't really seen much improvement from Stokes over his 3 years, and it appears as if he's sort of regressed this season.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
People thjnk Barton regressed because over the summer this board hyped him up to be something he's not. I think some people think he is his brother. Seriously. I know I've corrected at least one person who thought that.
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CM also brought up getting up and down the court with Barton now at UT and mentioned we couldn't do it last year. When have we seen an outlet pass and Barton pushing it up? Morehead?
I don't know why he wanted Barton as a pg in a halfcourt system. Bad fit. Barton can play running the court with McRae, jrich, Moore, etc. So let them.
 
#48
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Spartacavolus said:
CM also brought up getting up and down the court with Barton now at UT and mentioned we couldn't do it last year. When have we seen an outlet pass and Barton pushing it up? Morehead?
I don't know why he wanted Barton as a pg in a halfcourt system. Bad fit. Barton can play running the court with McRae, jrich, Moore, etc. So let them.
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That's coaching. Not player development.
 
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