Tragic Story of incompetence by LSU football.

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05_never_again said:
Hindsight. Bias. You know that the story ended tragically, so it seems like they should have known it all along.

Next time my kids throw up and don't feel well, I'll be sure to insist on getting them a CAT scan. Thanks for the tip.

I'm not a doctor, but if they figured out he had a brain tumor say, a few weeks before, it seems reasonable that he still would have to have had the emergency surgery.
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If your kid is dizzy and throwing up, how many days do you wait to take them to the doctor? And if it continues to persist, how hard do you push for them to do every test possible to find out what is wrong with your child?

Factor in the kid was a football player where head injuries are common.

There is zero bias in saying this was terribly mishandled.
 
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Weezer said:
If your kid is dizzy and throwing up, how many days do you wait to take them to the doctor? And if it continues to persist, how hard do you push for them to do every test possible to find out what is wrong with your child?

Factor in the kid was a football player where head injuries are common.

There is zero bias in saying this was terribly mishandled.
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He didn't wait to see a doctor. During the time between he first reported symptoms and went to the neuro specialist at the hospital, he saw the team doctor (Former LSU player Greg Brooks Jr sues school and medical staff over brain surgery, alleging malpractice). According to the lawsuit he filed, he actually saw the team doctor the first day he passed out, and then again several times after that. It was 39 days before he saw the neuro specialist at the hospital.

Now, there are claims in the lawsuit that team doctors weren't doing a thorough evaluation of him. Then they also claim that the surgeon who operated on him wasn't qualified to do that type of surgery. If that is true, then he'll probably win some kind of a judgment against LSU and/or the hospital.

I don't know what any of that has to do with BK though. Most of the vitriol in this thread is directed at him, and I get it because I do think that BK is an a-hole, but if something improper was done then it was by LSU's doctors/trainers and/or the surgeon at the hospital. It isn't his job, nor should it be, to oversee, question, or check in on their decisions. It isn't his job to go to a team doctor and say "Hey doc, Greg isn't getting any better - maybe try something else."
 
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05_never_again said:
He didn't wait to see a doctor. During the time between he first reported symptoms and went to the neuro specialist at the hospital, he saw the team doctor (Former LSU player Greg Brooks Jr sues school and medical staff over brain surgery, alleging malpractice). According to the lawsuit he filed, he actually saw the team doctor the first day he passed out, and then again several times after that. It was 39 days before he saw the neuro specialist at the hospital.

Now, there are claims in the lawsuit that team doctors weren't doing a thorough evaluation of him. Then they also claim that the surgeon who operated on him wasn't qualified to do that type of surgery. If that is true, then he'll probably win some kind of a judgment against LSU and/or the hospital.

I don't know what any of that has to do with BK though. Most of the vitriol in this thread is directed at him, and I get it because I do think that BK is an a-hole, but if something improper was done then it was by LSU's doctors/trainers and/or the surgeon at the hospital. It isn't his job, nor should it be, to oversee, question, or check in on their decisions. It isn't his job to go to a team doctor and say "Hey doc, Greg isn't getting any better - maybe try something else."
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Everything falls on the head coach because it's his team.

Whether it was BK or a team doctor, someone should have advocated for this young man to have whatever tests necessary to find out what was wrong with him.

I don't know BK's recruiting pitch, but many coaches sell themselves to the parents by promising to look after their sons as if they were their own. So, it's not totally unreasonable to see BK at some level of fault.

In today's game, it shouldn't take 39 days to identify a brain problem in a football player.
 
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Weezer said:
Everything falls on the head coach because it's his team.

Whether it was BK or a team doctor, someone should have advocated for this young man to have whatever tests necessary to find out what was wrong with him.

I don't know BK's recruiting pitch, but many coaches sell themselves to the parents by promising to look after their sons as if they were their own. So, it's not totally unreasonable to see BK at some level of fault.

In today's game, it shouldn't take 39 days to identify a brain problem in a football player.
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Not medical stuff.
 
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05_never_again said:
He didn't wait to see a doctor. During the time between he first reported symptoms and went to the neuro specialist at the hospital, he saw the team doctor (Former LSU player Greg Brooks Jr sues school and medical staff over brain surgery, alleging malpractice). According to the lawsuit he filed, he actually saw the team doctor the first day he passed out, and then again several times after that. It was 39 days before he saw the neuro specialist at the hospital.

Now, there are claims in the lawsuit that team doctors weren't doing a thorough evaluation of him. Then they also claim that the surgeon who operated on him wasn't qualified to do that type of surgery. If that is true, then he'll probably win some kind of a judgment against LSU and/or the hospital.

I don't know what any of that has to do with BK though. Most of the vitriol in this thread is directed at him, and I get it because I do think that BK is an a-hole, but if something improper was done then it was by LSU's doctors/trainers and/or the surgeon at the hospital. It isn't his job, nor should it be, to oversee, question, or check in on their decisions. It isn't his job to go to a team doctor and say "Hey doc, Greg isn't getting any better - maybe try something else."
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The dad says it himself - BK never reached out at any point to find out how the kid was doing. Legal B.S, be damned, there’s no way in the world you could keep me from checking on a kid that played for me. Additionally, if this kid was having the problems he states, which by all accounts he seems he was, then making this kid wallow in his misery and deal with the symptoms he was experiencing without finding someone who could help identify the root cause is egregious. You are the coach, you are responsible for what happens on the team and your players you care so much about.
 
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Literally 0 wrong with how the school handled this. You don’t jump straight to cancer with anyone. 39 days to diagnose is very reasonable
 
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If we did a CT of every healthy young adult who reported vomiting and syncope, we’d probably cause more brain cancer than we found
 
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Weezer said:
If your kid is dizzy and throwing up, how many days do you wait to take them to the doctor? And if it continues to persist, how hard do you push for them to do every test possible to find out what is wrong with your child?

Factor in the kid was a football player where head injuries are common.

There is zero bias in saying this was terribly mishandled.
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No it wasn’t. Ever person who goes to an urgent care for a cough could have cancer.

Should we CT every one of them? Or should we treat them for a cough and see how they do over the next couple of weeks?
 
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DaddyChad said:
Basically he had vomiting and headaches during practice in front of the coaches, continued to have symptoms for 39 days before the staff sent him to a neurologist. Basically had a brain tumor, had surgical issues that left him handicapped. Basically Kelly and the staff didn’t even contact the kid after the surgery.

Kelly is a POS but this should’ve been vetted by the medical staff. If Kelly interfered there then yeah his ass needs to be dragged. Oh and did I mention Brian Kelly is a POS.
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What’s the problem with how this was handled? You don’t just assume every headache is brain cancer. You treat headaches and see how people do

Even if for some insane reason I assumed brain cancer, it would probably take 30 days to get you in with a neurologist.

Nothing about this was mishandled. People just don’t understand how medicine works
 
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Vol8188 said:
What’s the problem with how this was handled? You don’t just assume every headache is brain cancer. You treat headaches and see how people do

Even if for some insane reason I assumed brain cancer, it would probably take 30 days to get you in with a neurologist.

Nothing about this was mishandled. People just don’t understand how medicine works
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He might not have seen a neurologist that quickly but he more than qualified to have an MRI before then.
 
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DaddyChad said:
He might not have seen a neurologist that quickly but he more than qualified to have an MRI before then.
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I order MRIs. Probably one a week (maybe one every other). The typical process takes multiple months to get approved.

You can’t just scan every person who vomits. I see these “sad” stories all the time. Someone will say “it took two months and 4 doctors for me to be diagnosed with cancer!”

Yes….because we should never start with the idea that “this is probably cancer”. Especially in a health 18-23 year old person. We should treat them for things like vertigo or nausea and if that lingers for multiple weeks, then we should look harder.

I shouldn’t CT every cough that comes into my office.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I order MRIs. Probably one a week (maybe one every other). The typical process takes multiple months to get approved.

You can’t just scan every person who vomits. I see these “sad” stories all the time. Someone will say “it took two months and 4 doctors for me to be diagnosed with cancer!”

Yes….because we should never start with the idea that “this is probably cancer”. Especially in a health 18-23 year old person. We should treat them for things like vertigo or nausea and if that lingers for multiple weeks, then we should look harder.

I shouldn’t CT every cough that comes into my office.
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Yet every ER doc runs them through the donut of diagnosis
 
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DaddyChad said:
Yet every ER doc runs them through the donut of diagnosis
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ERs CT a lot of people, for sure. Not normally for nausea, vomiting, or cough. Probably not for syncope either.

They CT a lot of abdominal pain (which is fair).

But an ER is rarely performing an MRI
 
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Vol8188 said:
No it wasn’t. Ever person who goes to an urgent care for a cough could have cancer.

Should we CT every one of them? Or should we treat them for a cough and see how they do over the next couple of weeks?
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He didn't have a cough. He was having dizziness and vomiting. Classic signs of head trauma. So yes, it rated a head CT. Especially when you factor in he's a football player, where head trauma is common.
 
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Weezer said:
He didn't have a cough. He was having dizziness and vomiting. Classic signs of head trauma. So yes, it rated a head CT. Especially when you factor in he's a football player, where head trauma is common.
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That’s the part that does it for me - he’s a football player and the exposure to head trauma is common.

Maybe this is something that needs to be tightened up around the NCAA, but my assumption would have been that anything that presents as a possible head trauma issue would be looked at under a closer microscope.
 
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Vol8188 said:
ERs CT a lot of people, for sure. Not normally for nausea, vomiting, or cough. Probably not for syncope either.

They CT a lot of abdominal pain (which is fair).

But an ER is rarely performing an MRI
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Dude they CT every damn syncopal episode that they see in my experience. A young guy with syncope around here they’re getting a CT
 
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