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If the context in which this trans debate is taking place were different, that is to say, not in the middle of a culture war, I think we would see much more measured and reasonable stances on the topic from both sides. Unfortunately, gender and gender language are two very volatile battlegrounds of this culture war. People on either side don't want to cede ground in these two areas, so they dig their heels in. Counterarguments become more and more radical. People might be more likely to use preferred pronouns, to give an inch, if they knew that the secession wouldn't be used to take a mile.
 
Nonsense. Maybe a few hundred people in America identify as a bird. That is a mental disorder. Over 1.5M Americans identify as transgender. That's an unalterable result of their genetic makeup.
1 in every 200 Americans has anorexia. That doesn't make them fat, and we don't treat them by starving them.
 
That's it's much more complicated than simple dualistic thinking allows. For instance, overexposure to certain prenatal hormones has been shown to be a mitigating, but not solely deterministic, factor.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19359705.2013.753393

Not everything is a simple This/That situation. That's what aggravates me in these discussions: the desire by many here to boil things down to A or B, One or Two, Win or Lose when there is significant amount of nuance to the discussion.

I pray none of you ever have a friend who attempts suicide because they believe they have to be someone else around you.

Knowing what causes a behavior doesn't make it normal behavior. Your logic is broken.

Saying that something is abnormal is not the same things as hating the person or being uncaring.

If they thought they were Napoleon around me, I'd call it a delusion and hope they got appropriate mental treatment. I wouldn't put them on a horse and send them into a Russian winter.

Again, arguing that it's a mental disorder is not the same thing as being uncaring. You may want to weigh your own message here.
 
-Bulimia Nervosa? 4.7 million females just in the US.
-Anorexia? One percent of America women.
1 in 5 anorexia deaths is suicide. Is it because we dont affirm their distorted reality?

Your position is a damn lie and a dangerous one. Who the hell would give a person with one of these disorders diet pills? But, that is exactly what you are doing when you give someone suffering gender dysphoria hormones.
Beat me to it. Kudos.
 
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Knowing what causes a behavior doesn't make it normal behavior. Your logic is broken.

Saying that something is abnormal is not the same things as hating the person or being uncaring.

If they thought they were Napoleon around me, I'd call it a delusion and hope they got appropriate mental treatment. I wouldn't put them on a horse and send them into a Russian winter.

Again, arguing that it's a mental disorder is not the same thing as being uncaring. You may want to weigh your own message here.
He disappeared when the facts didn’t help his case.

All excellent points you make. You can see by the response of someone like Mick exactly what the problem is. Present truth and facts and then get some garbage thrown back at ya.
 
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He disappeared when the facts didn’t help his case.

All excellent points you make. You can see by the response of someone like Mick exactly what the problem is. Present truth and facts and then get some garbage thrown back at ya.
Well, at least you give Mick the personal liberty to disagree and mock.
 
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Me too.

I posted a rant from reddit in the OT thread about this tonight .

I am tired of this recent trend in the US where the .01% are so loud and "offended" that the MSM and liberals allow them to attempt to change what is normal. If these extremely small minority of people want to have sex changes and come up with special names for their ...whatever...then that is fine. They dont get to label normal people as "cis" anything though...don't get to change what we call ourselves and eachother.. and dont get to even change what we call them. If you were born with a penis...I am gonna call you a dude. I dont care what hormones you take, what operations you have..you are a dude. Your birth certificate said male..when your skeleton is examined 1000 years from now...guess what scientists would say that you were? A male. With a male bone structure. Tough tiddies.

I am tired of this PC bullcrap. My kids have been raised to know what is normal and right...and nothing is going to change that. These parents that let their minor children take hormones to change sexes are guilty of child abuse. Period. A minor is not capable of making adult decisions that can ruin their lives. This insanity has to stop.

It won't though. To Hell in a handbasket we go. As for me and mine though...you can get that trans bullcrap outta here. Thank God my kids arent in public school so I dont have to be worried about them being taught any of this insane bullcrap
 
Because that's totally what I was asking. Good night to you and the rest of the roost.
I already answered

You would have to define “being.” Are you talking about proclivity?
or, are you talking about taking hormones and cutting off your pecker?

Please understand that my goal is NOT to mock trans people, or to single them out. My position, just like just about everyone else here, was keep your business to yourself and no problem. We’re way past that. When others start saying I must (at the expense of my own liberty) affirm and approve a trans lifestyle, then we have a problem. This is rarely an individual, but there is without question a collective effort to do this.

I’ll add, this was relatively a non issue until these conflicts started happening. Boys competing as girls is a pretty obvious example. Then you have the whole public restroom/locker room saga. We even had it at UT in the office of diversity and a very concerning agenda. My daughter is a student so such things directly impact.

You’ve been given examples and you flippantly thumb your nose at each of them. Then you have the audacity to complain about some here mocking your morals. Don’t expect us to consider yours when you’ve made a history of mocking ours.
 
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Consider who you’re talking to

Would love to know what you're implying here, because you seem to subscribe to this utterly stupid notion that I'm some morally corrupt person when, in reality, my political views just differ from yours and it strains your wittle feels.

I already answered

You would have to define “being.” Are you talking about proclivity?
or, are you talking about taking hormones and cutting off your pecker?

Please understand that my goal is NOT to mock trans people, or to single them out. My position, just like just about everyone else here, was keep your business to yourself and no problem. We’re way past that. When others start saying I must (at the expense of my own liberty) affirm and approve a trans lifestyle, then we have a problem. This is rarely an individual, but there is without question a collective effort to do this.

I’ll add, this was relatively a non issue until these conflicts started happening. Boys competing as girls is a pretty obvious example. Then you have the whole public restroom/locker room saga. We even had it at UT in the office of diversity and a very concerning agenda. My daughter is a student so such things directly impact.

You’ve been given examples and you flippantly thumb your nose at each of them. Then you have the audacity to complain about some here mocking your morals. Don’t expect us to consider yours when you’ve made a history of mocking ours.

Per my definition of "being," I'd say both proclivity and the undertaking of reassigning your own gender through procedures. And to clarify, for both, not just male to female since you only provided one gender for some reason (apparently, not to mock).

I think the biggest issue that affects the most people are the conflicts of sporting events. In that respect, I agree with most on here and additionally I think, as with most of these cases, the guilt falls on politically charged legal action groups and not so much on the trans community itself. I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence or "I have a friend" arguments but I will tell you that a female->male trans friend of mine and their partner both think the gender crossover problem in athletics is both detrimental to trans activism as well as competitive sports. I completely agree. It's abuse and, as evidenced on here, does nothing but take them two steps back in terms of trying to normalize for the more... morally superior folks like yourself.

The bathroom situation is a mixed bag. I think forcing an institution or establishment to do it is inherently wrong, as I'm a big free market guy. On the other side of that coin, let a private entity do what it wants. If you need to go crap out one of Tern Club's delicious sandwiches, but the gender neutral single use restrooms bother you, go **** in the street if you want and never return to give them your money. As far as state run entities, the government shouldn't be forcing students to share locker rooms with the other sex, trans issues aside. I think, however, there's more of an argument there against non-binary culture and that it's bigger than just trans.

Lastly, I was on a date this evening and I almost always use my phone to post on here so your response was the only one I wanted to take time to give a reply and, sorry, I'm not going to say "Apologies, I'm having a really good time but I have to author a response to some assho*e on the internet because he's impatient."

As per the others, they weren't answering my question, so don't presume to accuse me of avoiding their response when, in reality, they weren't even making a remote attempt at answering what I was asking. They were just citing *very isolated* examples of child exploitation. Furthermore, given their posting history, I don't really entertain long responses with kooky conspiracy nuts. It's an even bigger waste of time than arguing with one as pure and holy as you.

Good morning, sunshine.
 
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Would love to know what you're implying here, because you seem to subscribe to this utterly stupid notion that I'm some morally corrupt person when, in reality, my political views just differ from yours and it strains your wittle feels.



Per my definition of "being," I'd say both proclivity and the undertaking of reassigning your own gender through procedures. And to clarify, for both, not just male to female since you only provided one gender for some reason (apparently, not to mock).

I think the biggest issue that affects the most people are the conflicts of sporting events. In that respect, I agree with most on here and additionally I think, as with most of these cases, the guilt falls on politically charged legal action groups and not so much on the trans community itself. I'm not a fan of anecdotal evidence or "I have a friend" arguments but I will tell you that a female->male trans friend of mine and their partner both think the gender crossover problem in athletics is both detrimental to trans activism as well as competitive sports. I completely agree. It's abuse and, as evidenced on here, does nothing but take them two steps back in terms of trying to normalize for the more... morally superior folks like yourself.

The bathroom situation is a mixed bag. I think forcing an institution or establishment to do it is inherently wrong, as I'm a big free market guy. On the other side of that coin, let a private entity do what it wants. If you need to go crap out one of Tern Club's delicious sandwiches, but the gender neutral single use restrooms bother you, go **** in the street if you want and never return to give them your money. As far as state run entities, the government shouldn't be forcing students to share locker rooms with the other sex, trans issues aside. I think, however, there's more of an argument there against non-binary culture and that it's bigger than just trans.

Lastly, I was on a date this evening and I almost always use my phone to post on here so your response was the only one I wanted to take time to give a reply and, sorry, I'm not going to say "Apologies, I'm having a really good time but I have to author a response to some assho*e on the internet because he's impatient."

As per the others, they weren't answering my question, so don't presume to accuse me of avoiding their response when, in reality, they weren't even making a remote attempt at answering what I was asking. They were just citing *very isolated* examples of child exploitation. Furthermore, given their posting history, I don't really entertain long responses with kooky conspiracy nuts. It's an even bigger waste of time than arguing with one as pure and holy as you.

Good morning, sunshine.
Isolated according to you.

Since Im a natural law theorist it is perfectly consistent to say that those behaviors and actions are immoral. I’ve already explained this anecdotally. proclivities, in and of themselves aren’t immoral. However, just because a behavior arises from a proclivity doesn’t make it good. I could list dozens of examples.

By your own words you should know that the average person has reason to be concerned. Maybe not with the individual, but what if that individual’s choices emanate from a larger agenda?

I like how we are asked for examples and then the Individual examples are dismissed because they are individual. Of course, you do this because, as I said, you dismiss our moral reasonings.

There is without question a collective movement to erase gender roles and even basic biology. I’d guess that this doesn’t affect your moral sensibilities the way it does others. People have the right to be concerned of where this is all heading, and to dismiss it because, as you say, your morals differ, is hogwash.

I equally have concerns for the reactions of many on the right. I take mental illness very seriously and think we should have the deepest sympathy for those who deal with these things. But you know that what I just stated is viewed by some as hate instead of compassion. That is the biggest reason for my concern. What I just stated is quickly moving from a reasonable position to one that is bigoted and hate speech.
 
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You would have to define “being.” Are you talking about proclivity?
or, are you talking about taking hormones and cutting off your pecker?

Please understand that my goal is NOT to mock trans people, or to single them out. My position, just like just about everyone else here, was keep your business to yourself and no problem. We’re way past that. When others start saying I must (at the expense of my own liberty) affirm and approve a trans lifestyle, then we have a problem. This is rarely an individual, but there is without question a collective effort to do this.
You walk up behind someone with short hair and say "sir?"
Turns out it's a chick. You have to apologize and then move on. She isnt being immoral making you correct yourself.

If I change my name to Sue you better start calling me Sue. Nothing immoral in that.

Both of those things are basic decency on any moral chart.

Expecting other people to recognize these people for who they are isnt immoral of them. If anything the immorality lies in the rejection of recognization. It's a base form of insulting not to give them their due. If they were a dude and are now a woman you cant hold it against them for expecting you to call them a woman.

Any status or title change should be recognized and it isnt immoral to expect others to recognize those changes once it's made evident.
 
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I do have a bias toward abnormality. ESPECIALLY where I work. Be abnormal on your time. If you are interacting with me at work, you are on my time and you need to be able to get your social issues out of the ****ing way.

Can you define normal? Are you "normal" in every aspect of your life. Do you have a kink or beliefs that are outside of what other people define as normal? IF so, you are abnormal and, in some cases, could be declared a deviant.

FYI - there is no such thing as normal and no one is normal.
 
I like how we are asked for examples and then the Individual examples are dismissed because they are individual. Of course, you do this because, as I said, you dismiss our moral reasonings.

I don't know who you're referring to but I never asked for those examples. I asked a simple question, and you, along with a couple of notoriously credible posters (🤣😂) answered an entirely different question and provided those examples for those made up questions!

But no, keep agreeing with people who think I'm cool with the sexualization of children.

And you wonder why I don't hold discourse with you.
 
You walk up behind someone with short hair and say "sir?"
Turns out it's a chick. You have to apologize and then move on. She isnt being immoral making you correct yourself.

If I change my name to Sue you better start calling me Sue. Nothing immoral in that.

Both of those things are basic decency on any moral chart.

Expecting other people to recognize these people for who they are isnt immoral of them. If anything the immorality lies in the rejection of recognization. It's a base form of insulting not to give them their due. If they were a dude and are now a woman you cant hold it against them for expecting you to call them a woman.

Any status or title change should be recognized and it isnt immoral to expect others to recognize those changes once it's made evident.
These examples don’t really deal with the concerns I’m taking about.

If someone is actually a male and I confuse them for a female has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

If someone suffering from G.D. wants to be considered the opposite sex from what they were born then I’m not going to antagonize them. No more than I would hold a piece of cake in front of someone with an eating disorder.

That is a far cry from wanting to compete in sporting events or prescribe youth puberty blockers, have the military pay for gender reassignment, or teaching curriculum that says traditional gender roles are bigoted and hateful.

It’s really quite pathetic, after taking the care to share all I have, that you reduce this to me refusing to call Don by the name Deborah.
 
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