Trans men cant handle their monthly visitor

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#251
82_VOL_83 said:
Not angry dude, just tired of being castigated when pressed to ACCEPT this as normal. The sooner you and your entire community understand this then it will get worked out. What the alphabet community needs to ACCEPT is that tolerance is OK. Live with it. The only time you are met with anger and dissension is when you push ACCEPTANCE. You guys spend too much time trying to make people like you when you should be learning to like yourselves first. Maybe you won't need everyone else to accept you if you can do that.
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Not sure I've ever seen a post with more rampant stupidity, rationalization, hypocrisy, and naivete all rolled into one.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I can see why that could be bothersome in the workplace, but you have to understand that it's not going to get better in that respect.

I can admit I've never had to deal with that since most of my work is contractual and I call the shots. However, I probably wouldn't have an issue dealing with it because I don't label what consenting adults do to themselves or each other as perversions, so I guess I'm just not old fashioned and, happily, am care free.
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It goes beyond that. Mental health is a serious issue. When we let social confusion and identity politics shun truth and dictate policy, we’re in big trouble.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Still am pleasant unless I am force feed **** that I don't want to have to deal with. This past year has been a banner year for having **** shoved down my throat that I simply don't agree with. It's gotten to pushing acceptance as a way of keeping your employment. Pretty weak play by the alphabet group. The last bastion of where you should be able to spend the day doing work and leaving politics and social issues somewhere else. I can't even go to work anymore and just be a nice guy, I have to identify as an "I accept you for what you are, think your perversions are just fine, feel like you should be able to come to a professional environ with 20 piercings and blue/purple hair and I want you on my team so I can check the inclusive box" guy now. So pardon me if I'm a little over it. I'm ready to retire so I can happily run people the **** off that I don't want to deal with. Pretty soon even that will be taken away.
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I feel you...
Where are the days that I could be given grief for showing up on Monday with brown hair after leaving work Friday with Gray. Or if a co worker adds a few pounds he (never a she about that) would be the point of razzing.
When a co-worker was going through the transition, and even today, they lost all sense of humor. Don't know if it was the psychiatrist, the hormones, the plastic surgery or what but everything was now about them and how special they were. Everyone took up smoking (most without cigarettes) just so we could get outside for some freedom.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Not sure I've ever seen a post with more rampant stupidity, rationalization, hypocrisy, and naivete all rolled into one.
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And I've never seen a group of straight men get so upset about someone not wanting to address 14 different genders instead of just the two that exist in my life. You obviously have never read any of the crap that you type because it you did, you could not make the above post without your nose poking through your monitor.

But as usual, you never fail to take the most liberal and quit honestly ignorant position of nearly anyone other than loother on VN.

Edit: you really need to take a long look at the last two sentences of the post you quoted. You could go far practicing that.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I can see why that could be bothersome in the workplace, but you have to understand that it's not going to get better in that respect.

I can admit I've never had to deal with that since most of my work is contractual and I call the shots. However, I probably wouldn't have an issue dealing with it because I don't label what consenting adults do to themselves or each other as perversions, so I guess I'm just not old fashioned and, happily, am care free.
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The issue isn't what they do to themselves but that in the company that I work for currently and hope to finish this long career with, not only do you have to acknowledge it, you have to accept it and even applaud it if necessary. I'm tired of the BS. For where I want to live and where I am in my career, it's simply just a matter of keeping my head down and lasting this out. You and I normally just butt heads a little and I understand fully what you are saying. However, there has to be somewhere that you can go that you don't have to continually give in and give in just to keep from hurting someone's feelz while you are at work.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
I care about the fact that they cramming down our childrens' throat. You may have no morals, but the majority of Americans disagree with this lifestyle.
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When you say disagree with their lifestyle, what do you mean specifically? I don't want to get my nuts chopped off and grow tits, does that mean I disagree with their lifestyle? They can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect me. I think this is the main point of contention that I tend to see being misconstrued. A bunch of people up in arms say "i don't care as long as I'm not forced to be a part of it!/they don't shove it down my throat!" Or something like that.

I am not bothered by seeing a trans person walking down the street, or in my workplace, or on tv, or in an article. Change the channel. Don't read the article. Be a decent human being. I am also not bothered by doing a kindness to someone by referring to them by their preferred name, unless they are major assholes, then I'll call them whatever I want.

Are there extreme examples of people that take acceptance way too far? Getting into random people's faces, screaming at people because of simple mistakes? Sure, and I look at them with the same bewilderment and disappointment as I do the ones who are screaming about things being shoved down their throat but often could not defend that statement without sounding pitiful. Both seem like whiney bitches.
 
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MercyPercy said:
When you say disagree with their lifestyle, what do you mean specifically? I don't want to get my nuts chopped off and grow tits, does that mean I disagree with their lifestyle? They can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect me. I think this is the main point of contention that I tend to see being misconstrued. A bunch of people up in arms say "i don't care as long as I'm not forced to be a part of it!/they don't shove it down my throat!" Or something like that.

I am not bothered by seeing a trans person walking down the street, or in my workplace, or on tv, or in an article. Change the channel. Don't read the article. Be a decent human being. I am also not bothered by doing a kindness to someone by referring to them by their preferred name, unless they are major assholes, then I'll call them whatever I want.

Are there extreme examples of people that take acceptance way too far? Getting into random people's faces, screaming at people because of simple mistakes? Sure, and I look at them with the same bewilderment and disappointment as I do the ones who are screaming about things being shoved down their throat but often could not defend that statement without sounding pitiful. Both seem like whiney bitches.
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I could 2nd about everything you just said. I guess you don’t see the other issues out there.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Ohh, this is a good one.

What's immoral about being trans?
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Doctors giving children (confused and developing ones) puberty blockers. Parents asking doctors to do such. Having TV shows that glamorize this crap. Celebrating a prepubescent youth dressing in drag while twerking. Having a man in full drag read stories to schools children.
 
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Roustabout said:
Doctors giving children (confused and developing ones) puberty blockers. Parents asking doctors to do such. Having TV shows that glamorize this crap. Celebrating a prepubescent youth dressing in drag while twerking. Having a man in full drag read stories to schools children.
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You didn't answer my question, unless I'm somehow not privy to the notion that these are things that all trans people do.

That aside, only one of these examples is immoral.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You didn't answer my question, unless I'm somehow not privy to the notion that these are things that all trans people do.

That aside, only one of these examples is immoral.
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then we disagree. i think any promotion of the idea that gender dysphoria is anything other than a behavioral disorder is immoral. I’m not personally affected by people with anorexia either, but if there were doctors prescribing diet pills to anorexics I’d call that immoral and a concern. Just as I would a parent who said to a bulimic child that they were fat and should diet.
 
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Roustabout said:
then we disagree. i think any promotion of the idea that gender dysphoria is anything other than a behavioral disorder is immoral. I’m not personally affected by people with anorexia either, but if there were doctors prescribing diet pills to anorexics I’d call that immoral and a concern. Just as I would a parent who said to a bulimic child that they were fat and should diet.
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Okay, but as for my original inquiry... what is immoral about being trans?
 
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You are answering the question of what is immoral about the normalization of trans culture, and even then it's going to be super relative.

My question is what is immoral about being trans.
 
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615vols said:
See, look at you go! You’re talking yourself into another fantasy. It’s quite impressive that you can even function in life. Congratulations!
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It's easier facing someone across a bar when a decision over drink selection is intellectually near the same level as a person's ability to be indeterminate about sex. In the workplace that lack of cognitive discipline is reason to doubt the person's judgment on any number of other things; if a person can't figure out his or her sex, I wouldn't want it making important decisions. Probably why dink sees it differently from many of us.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Okay, but as for my original inquiry... what is immoral about being trans?
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You would have to define “being.” Are you talking about proclivity?
or, are you talking about taking hormones and cutting off your pecker?

Please understand that my goal is NOT to mock trans people, or to single them out. My position, just like just about everyone else here, was keep your business to yourself and no problem. We’re way past that. When others start saying I must (at the expense of my own liberty) affirm and approve a trans lifestyle, then we have a problem. This is rarely an individual, but there is without question a collective effort to do this.
 
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Roustabout said:
You would have to define “being.” Are you talking about proclivity?
or, are you talking about taking hormones and cutting off your pecker?

Please understand that my goal is NOT to mock trans people, or to single them out. My position, just like just about everyone else here, was keep your business to yourself and no problem. We’re way past that. When others start saying I must (at the expense of my own liberty) affirm and approve a trans lifestyle, then we have a problem. This is rarely an individual, but there is without question a collective effort to do this.
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You don't have to "approve" so why must you condemn? Did Jesus tell you to?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You are answering the question of what is immoral about the normalization of trans culture, and even then it's going to be super relative.

My question is what is immoral about being trans.
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Someone with no morals wouldn’t understand.
 
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AM64 said:
It's easier facing someone across a bar when a decision over drink selection is intellectually near the same level as a person's ability to be indeterminate about sex. In the workplace that lack of cognitive discipline is reason to doubt the person's judgment on any number of other things; if a person can't figure out his or her sex, I wouldn't want it making important decisions. Probably why dink sees it differently from many of us.
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Lol, weak ****.

I'm just not a prude. You guys want to take isolated, radical instances of something and slam the whole community for it. Talk about about intellectually dishonest.

Also, pretty sure trans is the antithesis of someone who "can't figure it out," but hey, who has room for actual thought when we're just supposed to **** on them there he-she's?
 
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C-south said:
Someone with no morals wouldn’t understand.
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Yeah, that's me. I'm so amoral. I don't give to charity. I don't do favors for friends in need. I don't put my family before myself.

Oh, wait. My morals just differ from yours so therefore I'm the devil incarnate. Lol.

You know, guys, I'm just gonna need you to bring better material. Your side deserves more coherent arguments.
 
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