Transgender Birth Certificates

[Wafflestomper]

So the difference is the consequences of your addiction? OK. By that sort of thinking we could cure pedophilia by gov't providing these perverts with robot kids that they can abuse, then there'd be no real kids abused.

So government tolerating transgender people going about their lives without facilitating their abuse is tantamount to providing child sex dolls to pedophiles. Have I summarized that correctly?

 

[Sea Ray]

So government tolerating transgender people going about their lives without facilitating their abuse is tantamount to providing child sex dolls to pedophiles. Have I summarized that correctly?

No, you've connected the wrong dots. Pedophilia has nothing to do with government "toleration" (your words) of transgenders. As a matter of fact, gov't allowing the alteration of their documents is not toleration. Government docs should only be altered if they're incorrect. More often than not the sex recorded at your birth was accurately recorded

 

[zeppelin128]

So government tolerating transgender people going about their lives without facilitating their abuse is tantamount to providing child sex dolls to pedophiles. Have I summarized that correctly?

It took longer than normal for posters to start comparing pedophilia to LGBTQ+ issues. Slight progress I guess.

 

[Y9 Vol]

Altering records is the subject. You guys are way off in right field.

 

[utvolpj]

So the difference is the consequences of your addiction? OK. By that sort of thinking we could cure pedophilia by gov't providing these perverts with robot kids that they can abuse, then there'd be no real kids abused.

No, it's consent. The difference is always consent

 

[hog88]

So government tolerating transgender people going about their lives without facilitating their abuse is tantamount to providing child sex dolls to pedophiles. Have I summarized that correctly?

It's illegal to abuse anyone, or haven't you heard?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

No, you've connected the wrong dots. Pedophilia has nothing to do with government "toleration" (your words) of transgenders. As a matter of fact, gov't allowing the alteration of their documents is not toleration. Government docs should only be altered if they're incorrect. More often than not the sex recorded at your birth was accurately recorded

They are changing the designation on the documents to reflect the reality of how they present themselves to the world.

 

[Sea Ray]

No, it's consent. The difference is always consent

It's still pretty perverted. There's no consent issue with animals either but it's still pretty screwed up

 

[Sea Ray]

They are changing the designation on the documents to reflect the reality of how they present themselves to the world.

A birth certificate is not the document to illustrate how you "present yourself to the world." Pick another doc for that. Maybe a drivers license but not a birth certificate

 

[Wafflestomper]

No, you've connected the wrong dots. Pedophilia has nothing to do with government "toleration" (your words) of transgenders. As a matter of fact, gov't allowing the alteration of their documents is not toleration. Government docs should only be altered if they're incorrect. More often than not the sex recorded at your birth was accurately recorded

You're the one who brought up pedophilia.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

A birth certificate is not the document to illustrate how you "present yourself to the world." Pick another doc for that. Maybe a drivers license but not a birth certificate

And what is the documentation necessary to get a driver's license? a passport? etc etc

 

[hog88]

They are changing the designation on the documents to reflect the reality of how they present themselves to the world.

Cool, can I present myself as a 67 year old and start collecting my social security benefits?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Cool, can I present myself as a 67 year old and start collecting my social security benefits?

They are not asking for benefits. They are asking that the government recognize them and consequently the rest of the world for how they present themselves. Why do you care? How does it affect you?

 

[C-south]

And what is the documentation necessary to get a driver's license? a passport? etc etc

Just use your actual documents and stamp “tranny” on the license.

 

[utvolpj]

It's still pretty perverted. There's no consent issue with animals either but it's still pretty screwed up

Of course there is a consent issue with animals. Wtf?

 

[hog88]

They are not asking for benefits. They are asking that the government recognize them and consequently the rest of the world for how they present themselves. Why do you care? How does it affect you?

Ahh, but in certain situations it is a benefit to be of a different sex since the government has different standards in many jobs between females and males.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Ahh, but in certain situations it is a benefit to be of a different sex since the government has different standards in many jobs between females and males.

So that is your big concern. The person might have a slight edge in a job with the government? I assume the the people that transitioned the opposite direction would then be at a disadvantage though, right?

 

[hog88]

So that is your big concern. The person might have a slight edge in a job with the government? I assume the the people that transitioned the opposite direction would then be at a disadvantage though, right?

We're not talking about the people that have fully transitioned we are talking about the people that put on the window dressing. Don't try and move the goalposts.

 

[C-south]

So that is your big concern. The person might have a slight edge in a job with the government? I assume the the people that transitioned the opposite direction would then be at a disadvantage though, right?

Why can’t these people just accept what they are? Why can’t they be who they really are on paper and then pretend to be whatever they want?

 

[Sea Ray]

You're the one who brought up pedophilia.

I brought it up? Please give me a factual answer. Where did I bring it up before you mentioned it here?

Yes, however acting on pedophilia involves assaulting children, whereas transitioning for someone who is transgender is to help with the psychological distress that they feel and does not infringe on someone else's person.

 

[Wafflestomper]

I brought it up? Please give me a factual answer. Where did I bring it up before you mentioned it here?

Someone else brought it up before you. Don't be obtuse. You responded to that comment with an analogy about pedophilia.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Why can’t these people just accept what they are? Why can’t they be who they really are on paper and then pretend to be whatever they want?

Again, what is the harm? All I really see is people saying I should be able refer to you in a manner incompatible with how you see yourself. What is your motivation to do so?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

We're not talking about the people that have fully transitioned we are talking about the people that put on the window dressing. Don't try and move the goalposts.

As far as I know we are talking about both. And I am not sure weather window dressing, as you put vs. full change of equipment really matters in the analysis of the issue you raised.

 

[Sea Ray]

They are not asking for benefits. They are asking that the government recognize them and consequently the rest of the world for how they present themselves. Why do you care? How does it affect you?

If they want society to "recognize them" then they are not asking to be left alone. They're asking us for something and we can answer yes or no

 

[Sea Ray]

Someone else brought it up before you. Don't be obtuse. You responded to that comment with an analogy about pedophilia.

You said I brought it up. That's not factually correct. I had nothing to do with bringing it up.

You have a problem with facts. You can't competently argue a subject if you don't have a grasp of the facts. Get better on that please