Trouble in Kentucky?

[VolsSportsFan]

Atleast Cal has done something in his career. What has stoops done? Seriously? Won 4 bowl games in a row? Big woop. Butch Jones won 3 in a row, and everyone in here was ready to fire him after the 3rd (rightfully so). Stoops is a product of his environment. If Butch Jones took the Kentucky job, which is who they wanted over Stoops, he’d still be there. Honestly James Franklins run at Vanderbilt was more impressive than anything Stoops has done at Kentucky. What has James Franklin done at penn state? Absolutely nothing, and that’s exactly what would happen if stoops was at a place with actual standards and expectations.

You can argue Calipari has underachieved at UK. He's won as many NCs at UK that Tubby Smith has. He hasn't been to a Final Four since 2015. And this is at UK, one of the bluest bloods of them all in college basketball.

Butch Jones would still be at UK? He was carried by Josh Dobbs for the better part of 3 seasons at UT. He just went 2-10 at Arkansas St. James Franklin won the Big 10 in 2016 and has won 2 NY6 bowls at Penn St. He's likely peaked and is trending down big time but saying he's accomplished "absolutely nothing" is being dishonest.

 

[05_never_again]

You can argue Calipari has underachieved at UK. He's won as many NCs at UK that Tubby Smith has. He hasn't been to a Final Four since 2015. And this is at UK, one of the bluest bloods of them all in college basketball.

Butch Jones would still be at UK? He was carried by Josh Dobbs for the better part of 3 seasons at UT. He just went 2-10 at Arkansas St. James Franklin won the Big 10 in 2016 and has won 2 NY6 bowls at Penn St. He's likely peaked and is trending down big time but saying he's accomplished "absolutely nothing" is being dishonest.

It's really just the last 2 seasons that have been bad. From 2009-10 to 2018-19, Cal won a title, played for another, went to the Final Four 4 times, and went to the Elite Eight 7 times. Since then, he totally laid an egg during the COVID year and got bounced in the First Round of the NCAAT last year.

Should he have more than one national title at UK? Probably, but that tournament is a crapshoot. He's consistently made deep tournament runs there except for the last 2 years.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Heupel and Barnes should post a picture of them holding hands.

Every SEC coach should take the same picture as Harsin and Bruce.

 

[05_never_again]

Atleast Cal has done something in his career. What has stoops done? Seriously? Won 4 bowl games in a row? Big woop. Butch Jones won 3 in a row, and everyone in here was ready to fire him after the 3rd (rightfully so). Stoops is a product of his environment. If Butch Jones took the Kentucky job, which is who they wanted over Stoops, he’d still be there. Honestly James Franklins run at Vanderbilt was more impressive than anything Stoops has done at Kentucky. What has James Franklin done at penn state? Absolutely nothing, and that’s exactly what would happen if stoops was at a place with actual standards and expectations.

Comparing the capabilities of UT's football program to UK's is insulting to UT. Those schools have totally different expectations.

The only knock you can really put on Stoops is that he hasn't been good against UT (2-7) during a period where his program has been better than usual and we have been way worse than usual. Stoops's 2 best UK teams, and 2 of their better teams in program history (2018 and 2021) still both lost to Tennessee.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Stoops is 59-53. If UK wasn’t a basketball school would anyone say that he’s this great coach who does less w/ more than anyone else? Probably not. He gets a raise every single year bc 8 wins keeps everyone happy. He needs to know his place .

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Comparing the capabilities of UT's football program to UK's is insulting to UT. Those schools have totally different expectations.

The only knock you can really put on Stoops is that he hasn't been good against UT (2-7) during a period where his program has been better than usual and we have been way worse than usual. Stoops's 2 best UK teams, and 2 of their better teams in program history (2018 and 2021) still both lost to Tennessee.

I think Stoops is a very good fit at UK and quite frankly has done a better job than I ever expected. UK better hope that Stoops really loves being in Lexington. If a real football school extends an offer, then that could be become very interesting. UK was a perennial doormat before he arrived.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Stoops is 59-53. If UK wasn’t a basketball school would anyone say that he’s this great coach who does less w/ more than anyone else? Probably not. He gets a raise every single year bc 8 wins keeps everyone happy. He needs to know his place .

The only difference in stoops and other UK coaches is he has beaten Louisville and Miss St more often than not and has had some lucky bounces vs Mizzou. They don’t play anyone tough OOC and they don’t play Bama

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think Stoops is a very good fit at UK and quite frankly has done a better job than I ever expected. UK better hope that Stoops really loves being in Lexington. If a real football school extends an offer, then that could be become very interesting. UK was perennial doormat before he arrived.

Stoops is 29-45 in the SEC at UK

 

[RDU VOL#14]

This is too good. The infighting is real..

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Comparing the capabilities of UT's football program to UK's is insulting to UT. Those schools have totally different expectations.

The only knock you can really put on Stoops is that he hasn't been good against UT (2-7) during a period where his program has been better than usual and we have been way worse than usual. Stoops's 2 best UK teams, and 2 of their better teams in program history (2018 and 2021) still both lost to Tennessee.

You could also argue they should have won the 2019 game. Both UK and UT were about equal that year and it was at UK. Maybe not "should" but it was definitely a winnable game for UK and they laid another egg. Also 1 of his wins, 2017, they barely hung on to beat maybe the worst UT team in modern history at home. At worst he should be 4-5 against UT.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Stoops is 29-45 in the SEC at UK

Oh, I know that is why I said he is a good fit at UK. The expectations are not the same compared to a real football school. He has been building a program since 2013 and has done a solid job to this point. Recruiting players to Lexington is not an easy sell either. Did you ever think you would see UK have two 10-win seasons over a 4-year span? Pretty impressive considering they play in the SEC and have been a pushover for the majority of my life. He also got over the Florida hurdle and has beaten UT twice (does not happen often). I believe he would do even better at a school with more resources and tradition.

 

[dobre_shunka]

What would be great is Sankey gets involved and issues an SEC reprimand like he did for Saban and Jimbo when they went at it

 

[Rickyvol77]

Oh, I know that is why I said he is a good fit at UK. The expectations are not the same compared to a real football school. He has been building a program since 2013 and has done a solid job to this point. Recruiting players to Lexington is not an easy sell either. Did you ever think you would see UK have two 10-win seasons over a 4-year span? Pretty impressive considering they play in the SEC and have been a pushover for the majority of my life. He also got over the Florida hurdle and has beaten UT twice (does not happen often). I believe he would do even better at a school with more resources and tradition.

It’s really not though. Other than one win over a 10 win Florida team and a couple of bowl victories over 3-4 loss BiG ten teams he has nothing. If you go back to his first year in 2013 till now and list his top 10-20 biggest wins it really sticks out. He has beaten no one that matters and his winning rate isnt that different from other UK coaches other than he has dominated South Carolina and Vandy. He has done well for UK standards but he’s barely a .500 coach against a paper thin weak schedule. And that’s not counting his close wins over terrible teams throughout as well

 

[05_never_again]

I think Stoops is a very good fit at UK and quite frankly has done a better job than I ever expected. UK better hope that Stoops really loves being in Lexington. If a real football school extends an offer, then that could be become very interesting. UK was perennial doormat before he arrived.

Stoops has turned that potentially into one of the best jobs in CFB. He's the 15th highest paid coach in the country and their fans don't expect anything close to the moon. The next "step" for UK to make as a football program would be to get into the mix for SEC East titles, but their fans are never going to expect that. Winning 9 regular season games and winning the Citrus Bowl, honestly, is surpassing their expectations. They'd be happy with less than that but he's already done that twice.

Being in the SEC definitely has advantages. It also is not as hard to recruit there as you might think; it isn't a bad location thing (close to Ohio) but rather a "they aren't a football school" thing.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

It’s really not though. Other than one win over a 10 win Florida team and a couple of bowl victories over 3-4 loss BiG ten teams he has nothing. If you go back to his first year in 2013 till now and list his top 10-20 biggest wins it really sticks out. He has beaten no one that matters and his winning rate isnt that different from other UK coaches other than he has dominated South Carolina and Vandy. He has done well for UK standards but he’s barely a .500 coach against a paper thin weak schedule. And that’s not counting his close wins over terrible teams throughout as well

Ok

It appears we agree on the highlighted. All programs have standards for sure. He wouldn't have lasted at UT or similar program to us. KY rolled the dice and gave him time. It has paid off for them. I don't believe he is going to win the SEC or CFP but KY is not the same KY I grew up watching. Wins should still be expected over the cats however the wins may be a little tougher now.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Ok

It appears we agree on the highlighted. All programs have standards for sure. He wouldn't have lasted at UT or similar program to us. KY rolled the dice and gave him time. It has paid off for them. I don't believe he is going to win the SEC or CFP but KY is not the same KY I grew up watching. Wins should still be expected over the cats however the wins may be a little tougher now.

There has been several times in 80s, 90s, and 00s where wins vs UK were “tough” but still happened. Even some of our best teams barely beat UK because that crap happens sometimes. No one and I mean no one fears being “outcoached” by Stoops. Tennessee owns him as does every other team not named Vandy or SC

 

[PEPPERJAX]

There has been several times in 80s, 90s, and 00s where wins vs UK were “tough” but still happened. Even some of our best teams barely beat UK because that crap happens sometimes. No one and I mean no one fears being “outcoached” by Stoops. Tennessee owns him as does every other team not named Vandy or SC

It always helps when our first year coaches beat KY.

 

[05_never_again]

You could also argue they should have won the 2019 game. Both UK and UT were about equal that year and it was at UK. Maybe not "should" but it was definitely a winnable game for UK and they laid another egg. Also 1 of his wins, 2017, they barely hung on to beat maybe the worst UT team in modern history at home. At worst he should be 4-5 against UT.

Yeah - Stoops has been good for them but 2-7 against UT, in the state we've been in, is really disappointing. As you said the 2 wins are against possibly the worst team in school history in Lexington and in the COVID year - it isn't like they've beaten any good Tennessee teams, and his really good UK teams have somehow failed to beat Tennessee.

I still am in shock how UK looked in the 2018 game. I know it was in Neyland, but they were the better team and it was a rivalry game. They hadn't won there since 1984 at that point. I was at the game and it was like they had no energy whatsoever. I kept waiting for them to get off the mat and make it a game, but they never did.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Yeah - Stoops has been good for them but 2-7 against UT, in the state we've been in, is really disappointing. As you said the 2 wins are against possibly the worst team in school history in Lexington and in the COVID year.

I still am in shock how UK looked in the 2018 game. I know it was in Neyland, but they were the better team and it was a rivalry game. They hadn't won there since 1984 at that point. I was at the game and it was like they had no energy whatsoever. I kept waiting for them to get off the mat and make it a game, but they never did.

Pruitt, the mastermind of defense, was the x factor. Gunslinging JG would not be denied either.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

This is getting ugly fast..........................................................................................and I love it!

 

[MAD]

From the official UT shop website.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

From the official UT shop website.

Need a pic of Heupel, Barnes, Kellie Harper, TV, and Karen Weekly all standing and then the sunglasses come down over their eyes.

 

[DaddyChad]

Long as they know we own them, I don’t care what they call themselves.

 

[DaddyChad]

From the official UT shop website.

As much as I agree, don’t give these idiots a common enemy. Let them tear each other apart.

On Stoops, he’s a good coach that’s probably as good as Kentucky will ever get. I think he really needs to get a bigger job while he can. His recruiting is eroding and they look a lot worse on the trail this year. A school like them cannot afford to have a bad recruiting year.

 

[LouderVol]

Atleast Cal has done something in his career. What has stoops done? Seriously? Won 4 bowl games in a row? Big woop. Butch Jones won 3 in a row, and everyone in here was ready to fire him after the 3rd (rightfully so). Stoops is a product of his environment. If Butch Jones took the Kentucky job, which is who they wanted over Stoops, he’d still be there. Honestly James Franklins run at Vanderbilt was more impressive than anything Stoops has done at Kentucky. What has James Franklin done at penn state? Absolutely nothing, and that’s exactly what would happen if stoops was at a place with actual standards and expectations.

So you want to judge Stoops for the job he doesnt have? That doesnt make sense. He is Kentucky's football coach. He is good at his job. Does Fulmer suck because he didnt go on a streak like Saban has?