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The problem with constantly bringing up his salary is that fans are equating that $5m 100% to the product on the court. The true value of that $5m extends way beyond what you see produced by the team on the court. There's culture, fund raising, staff management, program development, training and so much more that D1 coaches do and manage outside of -just- the W/L columns. Now, the results do hold the highest value % of that monetary investment because that's almost 100% of what fans will ever see. But we didn't pay him $5m -just- to have results in March. We invested in the guy who both stabilized our program and has consistently raised the expectations and level of that program during his time here. The $5m price tag is justified in my opinion up to this point; and I do hope by the end of his time here we will have results that match our new expectations for March. But I fully believe we're getting our money's worth and more compared do where we've been in the past.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
The problem with constantly bringing up his salary is that fans are equating that $5m 100% to the product on the court. The true value of that $5m extends way beyond what you see produced by the team on the court. There's culture, fund raising, staff management, program development, training and so much more that D1 coaches do and manage outside of -just- the W/L columns. Now, the results do hold the highest value % of that monetary investment because that's almost 100% of what fans will ever see. But we didn't pay him $5m -just- to have results in March. We invested in the guy who both stabilized our program and has consistently raised the expectations and level of that program during his time here. The $5m price tag is justified in my opinion up to this point; and I do hope by the end of his time here we will have results that match our new expectations for March. But I fully believe we're getting our money's worth and more compared do where we've been in the past.
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Absolutely, those that complain about it just fail to even attempt to see that, it’s really not that complicated. UCLA reportedly felt he was worth $5m or possibly more, we decided to match that…what’s the total 4 year cost of us at that point losing Barnes, buying out another coach, and paying him a salary? Folks would’ve have wanted a MM up and comer, Brad Underwood is a popular name among fans and makes north of $4m, people think he’s taking a lesser salary to come here? Not to mention a buyout too?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Absolutely, those that complain about it just fail to even attempt to see that, it’s really not that complicated. UCLA reportedly felt he was worth $5m or possibly more, we decided to match that…what’s the total 4 year cost of us at that point losing Barnes, buying out another coach, and paying him a salary? Folks would’ve have wanted a MM up and comer, Brad Underwood is a popular name among fans and makes north of $4m, people think he’s taking a lesser salary to come here? Not to mention a buyout too?
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This! We didn’t decide CRB was worth $5 million, the market place (UCLA) did. Either pay market value or roll the dice and go shopping for a better deal are the only options that were available to the athletic dept and they made a decision which the overwhelming majority approved. It wasn’t like giving that dumbaresed Pruitt a raise and extension when nobody else in the market raised his value - that was a poor business decision.
 
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1985Vols said:
I guess I’m tired of paying filet prices ( $5M/ yr) for sirloin results ( Oregon St. In first round last March) . We are not getting our money’s worth and I have always felt CRB took this job to pad his retirement account. He is quite the salesman. I guess UCLA is happy?
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You must be one of the big doners to the program and probably go to all of the ball games. Am I right?
 
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1985Vols said:
Another post that is completely off-base. If my boss comes to me and provides constructive criticism about my performance and also reminds me I need to earn my salary, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t like me. As stated in other posts, I actually like RickBarnes the person, I just think he is overpaid for the results he has achieved as the UT BB coach. I am as hopeful as everyone that he changes his perception this year. He has the guards and talent to do it, now let’s see if he can put all the pieces together and not get beat the first we end of the NCAAT
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Good lord...where to start.

A.) You aren't Barnes's boss, so your parallel here doesn't hold water.

B.) You've never believed Rick Barnes has earned his salary, whether he made $2 million, $3.5 million, or $5 million. You've always believed he was overpaid, even during his best Tennessee moments, because the only success you are willing to recognize is NCAAT performance. The process of the regular season receives no praise or recognition from you, yet you're the first in line to bellyache after each and every regular season loss.

It. Can't. Be. Both.

Either give credit when he wins big regular season games, or shut the heck up when he loses one. Your hypocrisy earns your opinion no respect because you're incapable of objectivity.

C.) Claim all you want that you like Rick Barnes as a person, but no one believes for a second that you like him, even a little bit, as a coach. Your post history and rationale is all the proof anyone needs.

I'm fine in criticizing Barnes when he deserves it, and I've done my fair share of it. You just have your mind made up on him and have since the day he was hired, believing he approached this job as some golden parachute into retirement. You'll excuse away any success he attains and overstate any failure. If that can't be perceived as you "not liking him", then you need to review the meaning of that phrase.

Going back to your flimsy analogy, I certainly hope your boss is more fair in your annual performance review than you are with regards to Barnes.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
The problem with constantly bringing up his salary is that fans are equating that $5m 100% to the product on the court. The true value of that $5m extends way beyond what you see produced by the team on the court. There's culture, fund raising, staff management, program development, training and so much more that D1 coaches do and manage outside of -just- the W/L columns. Now, the results do hold the highest value % of that monetary investment because that's almost 100% of what fans will ever see. But we didn't pay him $5m -just- to have results in March. We invested in the guy who both stabilized our program and has consistently raised the expectations and level of that program during his time here. The $5m price tag is justified in my opinion up to this point; and I do hope by the end of his time here we will have results that match our new expectations for March. But I fully believe we're getting our money's worth and more compared do where we've been in the past.
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Bingo. People opposed to his salary want to oversimplify it under the rigid guise that it is entirely reflective of what he does over two and half weeks in March. That is a gross misunderstanding of economics.
 
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I would feel much better about all this if he did take them further in THE tournament.

I love the games during the season though. They are very entertaining .
 
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Based on 1985's analogy you can say every coach in America under performs based on their salaries. All are paid big bucks, that's the market their in. Under his way of perverted thinking Saban is under performing. He signs the #1 recruiting class every year so if he has the best players he should be going undefeated and winning the NC every year. Unrealistic in sports and an unrealistic analogy.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Based on 1985's analogy you can say every coach in America under performs based on their salaries. All are paid big bucks, that's the market their in. Under his way of perverted thinking Saban is under performing. He signs the #1 recruiting class every year so if he has the best players he should be going undefeated and winning the NC every year. Unrealistic in sports and an unrealistic analogy.
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That's the fatal flaw of judging success and value based on two and half weeks in March that relies heavily on luck and good fortune.
 
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Holy ****. He’s absolutely obsessed with CRB’s pay stub. After saying $5 million a hundred times or more, now it’s going to be “5th highest” paid.

TN has a history of appearing in the NCAAT about 40% of the time. That is being generous. Now the program is tracking to make EVERY NCAAT. Barnes has been to 7 Sweet 16s. TN has been there 8x in its ENTIRE HISTORY.
 
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I don't count that Purdue game against him or the Loyola-Chicago game. Sorry, one bad call away from an Elite 8 and we caught that years Cinderella. UT would have shattered the glass slipper if KA wasn't hurt, still got beat by a lucky shot that bounced 3 times before it went in. I know, doesn't matter, Barnes didn't win, right ? Now, last year, pissed me off
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
The problem with constantly bringing up his salary is that fans are equating that $5m 100% to the product on the court. The true value of that $5m extends way beyond what you see produced by the team on the court. There's culture, fund raising, staff management, program development, training and so much more that D1 coaches do and manage outside of -just- the W/L columns. Now, the results do hold the highest value % of that monetary investment because that's almost 100% of what fans will ever see. But we didn't pay him $5m -just- to have results in March. We invested in the guy who both stabilized our program and has consistently raised the expectations and level of that program during his time here. The $5m price tag is justified in my opinion up to this point; and I do hope by the end of his time here we will have results that match our new expectations for March. But I fully believe we're getting our money's worth and more compared do where we've been in the past.
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Absolutely....and as I said after the raise was announced, Rick Barnes is essentially paying for his own raise. A bump of $1.5 million is nothing when you continue to sell 5 figure season tickets and sell out all of the big games. Concessions, apparel, etc. are sold because you get people on campus. If you hire a mid major coach, people take a cautious approach with money, and at UT, it hasn't worked 5 out of 6 times. No brainer.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Holy ****. He’s absolutely obsessed with CRB’s pay stub. After saying $5 million a hundred times or more, now it’s going to be “5th highest” paid.

TN has a history of appearing in the NCAAT about 40% of the time. That is being generous. Now the program is tracking to make EVERY NCAAT. Barnes has been to 7 Sweet 16s. TN has been there 8x in its ENTIRE HISTORY.
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I know it's not our UT, but Texas had been to the NCAAT 13 times in its history before Barnes. He went 16 times there. Has their only FF since 1947.

Edit: Wiki page is a bit confusing. It may have been 16 times before Barnes, but the point still remains.
 
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orangemadam said:
I would feel much better about all this if he did take them further in THE tournament.

I love the games during the season though. They are very entertaining .
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Well sure, we'd all feel better. On the whole, though, the complainers would still complain...

"An E8 should have been a F4, because we've never made one."

"A F4 should have been a title game, because we got ao close."

"A title game should have been a championship, because we'll likely never make it back there."

They will always be left wanting more. Nature of the beast. Success craves greater success.
 
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The Dog said:
I don't count that Purdue game against him or the Loyola-Chicago game. Sorry, one bad call away from an Elite 8 and we caught that years Cinderella. UT would have shattered the glass slipper if KA wasn't hurt, still got beat by a lucky shot the bounced 3 times before it went in. I know, doesn't matter, Barnes didn't win, right ? Now, last year, pissed me off
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Right. A lot of postseason success is born out of good fortune. One bad call or a bad bounce, and the idea that it is used to judge the tenure of a coach is silly.

Like you said, not showing up like last year, is inexcusable and he and the team deserve to be criticized.
 
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I think a lot of fans are still hung up on Pearl and doesn’t really give Barnes a fair shot because he’s too “old school”.

Compare his offense to Pearls, his offense is all about spacing and getting to the rim. Nothing flashy but it works when the players execute.

Take away Pearl’s only Elite 8, Barnes has had the same tournament success as Pearl during his time here.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I am genuinely curious what the new “go to” will be if this squad were to make the E8?
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He can’t get us to the final 4. Lose in the semis - he can’t get us to the finals. Lose in the finals - if you ain’t first your last. Goal posts will continually move.
edit - Chris beat me to it!
 
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1985Vols said:
I actually like CRB as a person and think he is a good coach, probably the 3rd best coach in the history of UT M. BB. However, I Think it’s ok for me to point out his lack of success at our school in March and that he is he 5 th highest paid coach there is. To this point he has been our Jim Harbaugh. Maybe ( hopefully) this is the year he gets the monkey off his back and he and his team doesn’t tighten up in the NCAAT an gets beyond the second weekend
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Who are the two better coaches in UT history? I presume you are talking about Mears and Pearl?
 
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We've had some tough luck in March, Purdue and Loyola obviously. Last year's team was boom or bust offensively, and it just happened to be a bust game. I think this year's team has a way better shot at making a deep run than last year, given the point guard play.
 
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Zora would have been unbeatable if the bottoms of the peach baskets been cut out. Retrieving the ball slowed down the tempo.
 
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