Trump Admin Blocks Fauci From Testifying Before Congress

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A bunch of people on here who will make any excuse possible to not hear the truth about their reality TV leader... color me shocked.
 
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37L1 said:
Not necessarily but I would bet he would be restrained and diplomatic with his answers which doesn't mean that they would be a lie but they certainly wouldn't be "unfettered."
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The difference is that the Congresspeople get to ask questions and get into detail about what was known when, and what the reaction was to information as it changed.

Trump and Fox like to # blameChina by focusing on the lack of candor of China as this developed. Criticism of the Chinese for that is fine and probably warranted. But there are plenty of reports that Trump knew things were far worse than he was acknowledging in February and March; either that or he just would not come to terms with it.

So, it is possible that both things are true: 1) the Chinese were irresponsible in how they reported it in December and January; and 2) Trump was also irresponsible as he learned the real facts in February and March. It is perfectly reasonable to want to understand both.
 
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The difference is that the Congresspeople get to ask questions and get into detail about what was known when, and what the reaction was to information as it changed.

Trump and Fox like to # blameChina by focusing on the lack of candor of China as this developed. Criticism of the Chinese for that is fine and probably warranted. But there are plenty of reports that Trump knew things were far worse than he was acknowledging in February and March; either that or he just would not come to terms with it.

So, it is possible that both things are true: 1) the Chinese were irresponsible in how they reported it in December and January; and 2) Trump was also irresponsible as he learned the real facts in February and March. It is perfectly reasonable to want to understand both.
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What do you want to result from these "hearings" another impeachment?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The difference is that the Congresspeople get to ask questions and get into detail about what was known when, and what the reaction was to information as it changed.

Trump and Fox like to # blameChina by focusing on the lack of candor of China as this developed. Criticism of the Chinese for that is fine and probably warranted. But there are plenty of reports that Trump knew things were far worse than he was acknowledging in February and March; either that or he just would not come to terms with it.

So, it is possible that both things are true: 1) the Chinese were irresponsible in how they reported it in December and January; and 2) Trump was also irresponsible as he learned the real facts in February and March. It is perfectly reasonable to want to understand both.
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Trump was keeping the stock market in mind, with every statement he made about the threat of the virus to the American people... but later claimed that he was calling it a pandemic before the World Health Organization did, which was a lie. At the heart of every step Trump takes is an egotistical drive to promote himself, combined with a fundamental lack of integrity, regard for the truth and respect for others.
 
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VolStrom said:
What do you want to result from these "hearings" another impeachment?
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No, but in about eight weeks 70,000 Americans are dead from a virus we were assured was going to magically go away, or would go from 15 to zero cases. I think that merits review, don't you?
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, but in about eight weeks 70,000 Americans are dead from a virus we were assured was going to magically go away, or would go from 15 to zero cases. I think that merits review, don't you?
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I'm not sure since the president started shutting down air travel while your tribe was touting how safe everything is, remember?
 
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VolStrom said:
I'm not sure since the president started shutting down air travel while your tribe was touting how safe everything is, remember?
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I already gave him credit for that move.

But that's hardly the end of it, is it? I mean, as your car goes careening off a cliff with you and your family in it due to break failure, I doubt your last thought is "Gee, that mechanic did a nice job on these windshiled wipers."
 
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lawgator1 said:
The difference is that the Congresspeople get to ask questions and get into detail about what was known when, and what the reaction was to information as it changed.

Trump and Fox like to # blameChina by focusing on the lack of candor of China as this developed. Criticism of the Chinese for that is fine and probably warranted. But there are plenty of reports that Trump knew things were far worse than he was acknowledging in February and March; either that or he just would not come to terms with it.

So, it is possible that both things are true: 1) the Chinese were irresponsible in how they reported it in December and January; and 2) Trump was also irresponsible as he learned the real facts in February and March. It is perfectly reasonable to want to understand both.
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Fine but congress is not the body to investigate it.

1. It will be 100% political
2. It will be 100% political
3. They are not qualified
4. It will be 100% political

Set up an independent commission of professionals from varying fields and give them subpoena power. Something similar to a grand jury with a well defined and narrow scope.
 
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OHvol40 said:
A bunch of people on here who will make any excuse possible to not hear the truth about their reality TV leader... color me shocked.
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It cracks me up that they keep getting duped into hating on the boogeymen when it's pretty obvious that the deflection is just a smokescreen to tie up peoples energy from noticing the man behind the curtain.

Guy's like Fauci are nothing more than a fall guy for trumps inability at accepting the burden of owning hard decisions.

It's like a dude popping off in a bar and holding his buddy's shirt while trying to sound tough by telling how lucky they are that he's being held back.

Trump certainly wants to contain the virus and limit the body count, but damn sure doesn't want to be seen as the guy that keep people from making a living. It's fun watching him try to walk this line while talking out of both sides of his mouth.
 
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hog88 said:
Fine but congress is not the body to investigate it.

1. It will be 100% political
2. It will be 100% political
3. They are not qualified
4. It will be 100% political

Set up an independent commission of professionals from varying fields and give them subpoena power. Something similar to a grand jury with a well defined and narrow scope.
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I agree they are inefficient, but your solution is completely unworkable. Who picks the committee, for starters. And, who defines this "well defined and narrow scope"? I daresay that what you would propose as the scope I would not agree to, and vice versa.

The fact is that, as unwieldy as it might be, and as annoying to you as it is since it so happens that the Dems control the House for this process, these are the elected officials and have the right to look into what has gone on here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree they are inefficient, but your solution is completely unworkable. Who picks the committee, for starters. And, who defines this "well defined and narrow scope"? I daresay that what you would propose as the scope I would not agree to, and vice versa.

The fact is that, as unwieldy as it might be, and as annoying to you as it is since it so happens that the Dems control the House for this process, these are the elected officials and have the right to look into what has gone on here.
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Just do it like the 9-11 Commission. Pass legislation to create a committee with 5 Democrats and 5 Republicans and let them do the work.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The difference is that the Congresspeople get to ask questions and get into detail about what was known when, and what the reaction was to information as it changed.

Trump and Fox like to # blameChina by focusing on the lack of candor of China as this developed. Criticism of the Chinese for that is fine and probably warranted. But there are plenty of reports that Trump knew things were far worse than he was acknowledging in February and March; either that or he just would not come to terms with it.

So, it is possible that both things are true: 1) the Chinese were irresponsible in how they reported it in December and January; and 2) Trump was also irresponsible as he learned the real facts in February and March. It is perfectly reasonable to want to understand both.
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On January 21, Fauci appeared on television to reassure the public that the Wuhan coronavirus was not worth worrying about:

GREG KELLY: Bottom line. We don’t have to worry about this one right?

FAUCI: Well obviously we have to take it seriously and follow the things the CDC and DHS are doing but this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.

February 17, 2020, Fauci doesn't want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is "just minuscule." But he does want them to take precautions against the "influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave." Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is 'minuscule' NIH's Dr. Anthony Fauci says

February 17, 2020,
Q. Bottom line, how worried should people in America be?

A. The risk of coronavirus in this country is still relatively low, but, as I said about the possibility of emerging into a pandemic, this could change. As of today, on the 17th of February, the risk is really relatively low. But we, the public health officials, have to take this seriously enough to be prepared for it changing and there being a pandemic.

Q. We see everyone walking around in masks. Do they work?

A. A mask is much more appropriate for someone who is infected and you're trying to prevent them from infecting other people than it is in protecting you against infection. If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you. And for example, people start saying, should I start wearing a mask? Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask.
New coronavirus: What don't we know? Dr. Anthony Fauci has the answers

On February 29 on NBC’s Today, Fauci said: “At this moment, there is no need to change anything you’re doing on a day-by-day basis, right now the risk is still low, but this could change. ... When you start to see community spread, this could change, and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.”

On March 11 and 12 Dr. Fauci appeared before the House Oversight Committee and said "“I can say we will see more cases, and things will get worse than they are right now,” Fauci told the House Oversight and Reform Committee. “It is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”

March 24, 2020,

“The president has listened to what I have said and to what the other people on the task force have said. When I have made recommendations, he has taken them. He’s never countered or overridden me. The idea of just pitting one against the other is just not helpful,” Anthony Fauci said during an interview with WMAL on Tuesday. "I wish that would stop, and we’d look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing.”

Several political observers questioned the two men's working relationship after Fauci did not appear at Monday's White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing.
“Really, fundamentally at the core, when you look at things, there are not differences," Fauci said.
Fauci told Fox News Trump has "never overruled" him when it comes to how to respond to the pandemic that has resulted in more than 500 American deaths.

On Tuesday, Fauci had a stronger tone and called reporters reading into his absence at Monday's press briefing "ridiculous."

"There really is nothing like that going on at all," Fauci told Philadelphia AM 990's The Answer.

When asked whether Trump disregards scientific evidence or data regarding the virus presented by the task force, Fauci said, "That is completely untrue."
"I meet with him virtually every day. He listens. I’ve never had a situation where I strongly suggested something to him that he rejected," Fauci told the Philadelphia radio station. "I think this idea that there is any conflict between the two of us is not based in any reality.”
'Ridiculous': Fauci growing more frustrated with suggestions of rift between him and Trump
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree they are inefficient, but your solution is completely unworkable. Who picks the committee, for starters. And, who defines this "well defined and narrow scope"? I daresay that what you would propose as the scope I would not agree to, and vice versa.

The fact is that, as unwieldy as it might be, and as annoying to you as it is since it so happens that the Dems control the House for this process, these are the elected officials and have the right to look into what has gone on here.
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Never disputed the fact that they have the right to look into it. It will just be another complete **** show of partisan theater.

As for my proposal, I don't have all of the details of how it would work but I know what will not work and that is a congressional investigation.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
He wouldn't know the truth if it hit him in his buckeyes.
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hog88 said:
Bring some truth.
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One of the world’s foremost viral epidemiologists working for the NIH being painted as an unviable witness to reveal facts about the worst US pandemic in a century... just so you can maintain some kind of weird conspiracy theory laden reality, like I said, you’re not interested in truth.
 
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OHvol40 said:
One of the world’s foremost viral epidemiologists working for the NIH being painted as an unviable witness to reveal facts about the worst US pandemic in a century... just so you can maintain some kind of weird conspiracy theory laden reality, like I said, you’re not interested in truth.
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Who are you talking about? Who's blocking them from revealing facts?
 
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hog88 said:
You think he was prevented from giving facts during his press briefings and multiple interviews?
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You don’t think it’s beneficial to have transparency, itemization, and a timeline about actions (or lack thereof) taken in the prevention of a pandemic? Especially since another one is inevitable. Never heard of an after-action review?
 
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OHvol40 said:
You don’t think it’s beneficial to have transparency, itemization, and a timeline about actions (or lack thereof) taken in the prevention of a pandemic? Especially since another one is inevitable. Never heard of an after-action review?
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After action review usually means after the action, not during it, doesn't it?
 
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OHvol40 said:
You don’t think it’s beneficial to have transparency, itemization, and a timeline about actions (or lack thereof) taken in the prevention of a pandemic? Especially since another one is inevitable. Never heard of an after-action review?
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I think a partisan congressional investigation will be a huge waste of time and money. There would be zero transparency, itemization or accounting of actions.
 
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