Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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utvolpj said:
He wasn't wasting my money and putting the US in a bad position in 2015. He was entertaining and funny against Hillary but no one really wanted him in control of anything important
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Have you ever seen a POTUS have less support of his own party then Trump, and I don't mean voters, I'mean house and Congress reps?? Do you believe that had an effect on what he was able to get approved??
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't know about "whataboutism", as I mentioned you don't really know what corruption is. That is the point, you can say he is a turd but on the corruption level its just not there. I gave you an example, and I can give you details as to Bush if you want them it's called an example.

I would say you have TDS.

A good portion of what you listed has nothing to do with anything. I wouldn't say Trump is a victim because that isn't how I think of things.... but what has happened to him really isn't right either is it?

What you are saying is you don't like him so he should die, imo. The whole "victim" thing you came up with is just masquerade for that.
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You use the term "TDS" like it's a pejorative. It's not.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't know about "whataboutism", as I mentioned you don't really know what corruption is. That is the point, you can say he is a turd but on the corruption level its just not there. I gave you an example, and I can give you details as to Bush if you want them it's called an example.

I would say you have TDS.

A good portion of what you listed has nothing to do with anything. I wouldn't say Trump is a victim because that isn't how I think of things.... but what has happened to him really isn't right either is it?

What you are saying is you don't like him so he should die, imo. The whole "victim" thing you came up with is just masquerade for that.
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I don't wish anyone to die nor have I suggested it.
That's just dumb AF
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I don't wish anyone to die nor have I suggested it.
That's just dumb AF
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I don't believe you believe that. That is really why you are upset about this "victim" thing, imo.

For the record, I'm fine if Hillary doesn't make it.... and I have a good list of why, and I have the balls to own it.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Have you ever seen a POTUS have less support of his own party then Trump, and I don't mean voters, I'mean house and Congress reps?? Do you believe that had an effect on what he was able to get approved??
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Sounds like a problem with his leadership.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Have you ever seen a POTUS have less support of his own party then Trump, and I don't mean voters, I'mean house and Congress reps?? Do you believe that had an effect on what he was able to get approved??
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He was not prepared to take office by all reports. That chaos set him back as did his inability to work with people. What did he want to do that he couldn't? Pay off the debt? Lock her up? Replace obamacare?

He wanted to spend a lot of money and brag about how amazing he was. Covid exposed the reality that he was an ineffective leader and we all suffered for it
 
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utvolpj said:
He was not prepared to take office by all reports. That chaos set him back as did his inability to work with people. What did he want to do that he couldn't? Pay off the debt? Lock her up? Replace obamacare?

He wanted to spend a lot of money and brag about how amazing he was. Covid exposed the reality that he was an ineffective leader and we all suffered for it
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I agree he wasn't prepared...he was blocked on Obamacare, the border, and yea he should have locked Hillary up (but took the higher road). What we wanted should have passed without issues as the party he was the leader of has control for 2 years. But they fought him the whole way and everything other then spending...I wish he had surrounded himself with better people, but he trusted the wrong ones..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I agree he wasn't prepared...he was blocked on Obamacare, the border, and yea he should have locked Hillary up (but took the higher road). What we wanted should have passed without issues as the party he was the leader of has control for 2 years. But they fought him the whole way and everything other then spending...I wish he had surrounded himself with better people, but he trusted the wrong ones..
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He needed to clear out a good portion of government, you can't say you are going to drain the swamp and not do it. I like the Orange Man but you just can't threaten DC like that.... you have to do it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't believe you believe that. That is really why you are upset about this "victim" thing, imo.

For the record, I'm fine if Hillary doesn't make it.... and I have a good list of why, and I have the balls to own it.
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I think you overrate your ability of interpretation.

No, I know it for a fact
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I agree he wasn't prepared...he was blocked on Obamacare, the border, and yea he should have locked Hillary up (but took the higher road). What we wanted should have passed without issues as the party he was the leader of has control for 2 years. But they fought him the whole way and everything other then spending...I wish he had surrounded himself with better people, but he trusted the wrong ones..
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What did you want? He had no alternative to Obamacare just wanted to repeal it because it made a good soundbite. Would have been a disaster.

How could this brilliant executive and powerful leader have made so many bad hires? He didn't drain the swamp he just diverted it into the WH. So many excuses
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I don't believe you believe that, I would say it kind of obvious.

Did you vote for Hillary?
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No. Can't stand her. Didn't vote in last 2 Presidential elections and this will be the third in a row. I didn't vote for anyone serving in Congress or executive branch. The last time I voted it was for Bredesen.

It's obvious you've selectively cherry picked some of my posts and are trying to peg me based on those posts. Plus, you're not nearly as informed as you think
 
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utvolpj said:
What did you want? He had no alternative to Obamacare just wanted to repeal it because it made a good soundbite. Would have been a disaster.

How could this brilliant executive and powerful leader have made so many bad hires? He didn't drain the swamp he just diverted it into the WH. So many excuses
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I believe if I remember he wanted repealed and the old way back..
As for his hires I think he tried to play ball in the middle and it lead to him being taken advantage of. Instead of him treating it like taking the over a failing business and overhauling it he tried and failed to work with in it failing structures...he needs to answer those hires...but this time around he seems more focused on some pieces and I have heard more proposals then before from him..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Could be..or it could be he called them all corrupt and they fought back..but have you ever seen a POTUS get more pushback from his party against the will of the voters no less whom they were supposed represent.
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Maybe, just maybe the congresspeople were representing their constituents. It's the Presidents job to lead the party and surround himself with people who will help facilitate that.

Almost everyone in Donalds close orbit thinks he's a buffoon and doesn't believe him to be fit for the presidency, including his own VP. Yet, Donny is somehow the victim?

If he can't lead his party then what good is he? It's fascinating to watch the MAGA crowd talk themselves out of the fact that the smoke that always surrounds Donny is occurring magically, without a fire.
 
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utvolpj said:
He was not prepared to take office by all reports. That chaos set him back as did his inability to work with people. What did he want to do that he couldn't? Pay off the debt? Lock her up? Replace obamacare?

He wanted to spend a lot of money and brag about how amazing he was. Covid exposed the reality that he was an ineffective leader and we all suffered for it
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whodeycin85 said:
I believe if I remember he wanted repealed and the old way back..
As for his hires I think he tried to play ball in the middle and it lead to him being taken advantage of. Instead of him treating it like taking the over a failing business and overhauling it he tried and failed to work with in it failing structures...he needs to answer those hires...but this time around he seems more focused on some pieces and I have heard more proposals then before from him..
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He literally had unqualified members of his family as some of his closest advisors
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I believe if I remember he wanted repealed and the old way back..
As for his hires I think he tried to play ball in the middle and it lead to him being taken advantage of. Instead of him treating it like taking the over a failing business and overhauling it he tried and failed to work with in it failing structures...he needs to answer those hires...but this time around he seems more focused on some pieces and I have heard more proposals then before from him..
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Who specifically took advantage of him as a cabinet member or advisor? You mean when his best hires left and all said the same things about him? They're all lying too?
 
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Septic said:
Maybe, just maybe the congresspeople were representing their constituents. It's the Presidents job to lead the party and surround himself with people who will help facilitate that.

Almost everyone in Donalds close orbit thinks he's a buffoon and doesn't believe him to be fit for the presidency, including his own VP. Yet, Donny is somehow the victim?

If he can't lead his party then what good is he? It's fascinating to watch the MAGA crowd talk themselves out of the fact that the smoke that always surrounds Donny is occurring magically, without a fire.
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No one here has said he is a victim except you and your left brethren...but yes his poor hires are on him and he needs answer for those..as for those in his orbit etc..very few people fired have great reports about their boss..happened in every admin...Trump has his issues without adding in made-up hearsay from those he let go...the guy from the payment trial who paid Stormy to try and get back in Trump good graces is a good example..some that DJT doesn't deal with will do things like that..other will bash him and get a payday from a book bashing him.. see Mary Trump isn't involved in anything with DJT.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
He literally had unqualified members of his family as some of his closest advisors
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And every POTUS has done something similar..why is he held to a higher standard..haven't heard word on from you on Hunter being involved in oval office meetings...
His family members are also all business owners/partners..what did they do that you disagree with?
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Who specifically took advantage of him as a cabinet member or advisor? You mean when his best hires left and all said the same things about him? They're all lying too?
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Someone he trusted initially was Faucci and the other lady. Take the losers and suckers comments..1 fired general says he said that...numerous others at the same party say it didn't happen..
 
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