Trump called Roseanne Barr to congratulate her on huge ratings success

[lawgator1]

Jennie Garth.

Wrong Garth.

 

[Weezer]

I think it comes down to the basis of the criticism. Calling a black person an ape is targeting something over which they have no control. You don't get to choose your race. Calling Trump an Oompah-Loompah because he elects to utilize a bad spray tan is not criticizing his race. What could you call him that would be equivalent? Whitey? Cracker? Honky? Not sure there is an equally derogatory term for whites, honestly.

That said, I prefer to criticize others for their actions or inactions rather than using childish insults. The latter isn't productive.

The most derogatory term you can call a white person in today's world...Racist. It gets thrown around a lot. Most of the time people don't care if it's accurate or not. Just slapping the label on someone can do severe harm.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

So if everyone that voted for Trump did so because of Obama's divisiveness, we're talking 25%.

The remaining 75% voted because of the psychopath that you nominated.

 

[hog88]

I'd kindly ask you to refrain from putting words in my mouth, firstly.

I didn't insinuate anything. I plainly stated that comparing black folks to primates/savages (a la porchmonkey and spearchucker along with several visual depictions of them as apes) is an incredibly old and offensive dehumanization that will never -- and I mean NEVER -- compare to making fun of a white man's tacky tanning habits.

I get that you do the devil's advocate schtick as you've often admitted to it, and I think it's well placed amd intellectually challenging at times. This, however, is just in poor taste. ...

Original MASH movie couldn't be made today.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Original MASH movie couldn't be made today.

Shouldn't be. Overrated.

 

[hog88]

Shouldn't be. Overrated.

Dude that movie was awesome.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Dude that movie was awesome.

I think Blazing Saddles is a better film that speaks more to what you're trying to say.

Really, all of Mel Brooks' stuff. Couldn't release those today.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'd kindly ask you to refrain from putting words in my mouth, firstly.

I didn't insinuate anything. I plainly stated that comparing black folks to primates/savages (a la porchmonkey and spearchucker along with several visual depictions of them as apes) is an incredibly old and offensive dehumanization that will never -- and I mean NEVER -- compare to making fun of a white man's tacky tanning habits.

I get that you do the devil's advocate schtick as you've often admitted to it, and I think it's well placed amd intellectually challenging at times. This, however, is just in poor taste. ...

Because I say that not only should one not attack with racist comments, one should refrain from attacking, period?

OK. If you say so. That's in poor taste.

 

[McDad]

Original MASH movie couldn't be made today.

Spearchucker there for first half season or so on tv too

 

[hog88]

I think Blazing Saddles is a better film that speaks more to what you're trying to say.

Really, all of Mel Brooks' stuff. Couldn't release those today.

There is no question Blazing Saddles was better, anyone arguing otherwise is just insane.

Mel Brooks was a genius and if his stuff was required watching in high schools we might not have the problems we do today.

 

[lawgator1]

White House: 'No one's defending' Roseanne, but Trump still owed apology - CNNPolitics

"The President is pointing to the hypocrisy in the media saying the most horrible things about this President and nobody addresses it," Sanders told reporters at Wednesday's press briefing.

The media is saying "the most horrible things" about the President and no one is saying anything about that? WHAT THE **** ???????


You mean like pointing out all of his lies, his behavior with women, his constant deceit? That kind of horrible thing? Got news for you: those aren't remotely the equivalent of Barr's tweet. Not in the same universe. Plus all of those observations about Trump are completely true.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

There is no question Blazing Saddles was better, anyone arguing otherwise is just insane.

Mel Brooks was a genius and if his stuff was required watching in high schools we might not have the problems we do today.

Agreed. Lol.

"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine."

 

[golfballs]

ABC needs to have a consistent policy when it comes to policing social media of employees at the company.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Because I say that not only should one not attack with racist comments, one should refrain from attacking, period?

OK. If you say so. That's in poor taste.

Asking for one to cease before the other is far more reasonable and realistic than both altogether.

 

[T-TownVol]

White House: 'No one's defending' Roseanne, but Trump still owed apology - CNNPolitics

The media is saying "the most horrible things" about the President and no one is saying anything about that? WHAT THE **** ???????


You mean like pointing out all of his lies, his behavior with women, his constant deceit? That kind of horrible thing? Got news for you: those aren't remotely the equivalent of Barr's tweet. Not in the same universe. Plus all of those observations about Trump are completely true.

Trig.........oh, nm.......

 

[DinkinFlicka]

ABC needs to have a consistent policy when it comes to policing social media of employees at the company.

Ahem, capitalism.

 

[hog88]

Agreed. Lol.

"I see your Schwartz is as big as mine."

"They said you was hung".

 

[BowlBrother85]

White House: 'No one's defending' Roseanne, but Trump still owed apology - CNNPolitics

The media is saying "the most horrible things" about the President and no one is saying anything about that? WHAT THE **** ???????


You mean like pointing out all of his lies, his behavior with women, his constant deceit? That kind of horrible thing? Got news for you: those aren't remotely the equivalent of Barr's tweet. Not in the same universe. Plus all of those observations about Trump are completely true.

What does it say about a man who never apologizes for his own bad behavior (and would not allow a subordinate to make a public apology either - Kelly Sadler to John McCain) but is constantly seeking apologies from other people who he believes have wronged him?

It is part of the Trump brand to never apologize. He thinks it puts him in a position of weakness against his critics who wouldn't accept his contrition anyway. That's fine. Just quit asking for other people to apologize to you all the freaking time. It's annoying and cry-baby as hell.

 

[golfballs]

Ahem, capitalism.

They certainly don’t have to, but they should

 

[Orange_Crush]

Asking for one to cease before the other is far more reasonable and realistic than both altogether.

I've never said anything about an expectation that anything will cease.

When I'm back at a keyboard I will write more per your last post to me.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I've never said anything about an expectation that anything will cease.

When I'm back at a keyboard I will write more per your last post to me.

I'm frothing at the mouth.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

A harsh new spotlight is falling on the vulgar social media history of ESPN star Keith Olbermann after the network’s parent, Disney, fired Roseanne Barr for a racist tweet.

On Tuesday, ABC pulled the plug on the wildly popular reboot of "Roseanne" after its namesake posted a racist and offensive tweet about former President Obama’s aide and close friend Valerie Jarrett. Last week, ABC’s cable sister, ESPN, announced that anti-Trump pundit Olbermann would return to the network despite a foul-mouthed Twitter account that includes countless offensive remarks directed at the president and his surrogates.

ESPN personality-turned-political commentator Britt McHenry told Fox News that “Olbermann has proven time and time again how irrationally angry, prejudiced, and outright bigoted he truly is,” but none of that apparently matters to Disney executives.

“The message is clear: If you’re a liberal, any free speech is allowed. Same rules don’t apply,” McHenry said.

This is Olbermann’s sixth stint at ESPN and the time in between has been largely spent as a far-left political pundit on MSNBC and an assortment of other networks. Most recently, he anchored an anti-Trump online program for GQ, “The Resistance,” and authored a book titled, “Trump is *****ing Crazy: (This is Not a Joke).”



In addition to repeated, over-the-top profanity directed at Trump, Olbermann also once claimed that Trump and his family have done more damage to the U.S. than Usama bin Laden. He was also widely criticized when his anti-Trump book featured a cover image of himself draped in the American flag, which is visibly touching the ground – a violation of U.S. flag code.

ESPN was criticized for bringing the polarizing Olbermann back and that was before Barr’s firing resulted in talk of a double standard within Disney regarding who can get away with offensive rhetoric. ESPN has been under fire recently for what many media watchdogs consider a liberal bias and even stood by Jemele Hill last year when she called Trump a “white supremacist.”



The Wall Street Journal’s Shalini Ramachandran published a piece last week about how a “weakened ESPN became consumed by politics,” which details several polarizing decisions the network has made in recent memory. The report notes that conservative ESPN staffers have been “frustrated” by the network’s politics, which include everything from standing by Hill and selecting Caitlyn Jenner for its prestigious “ESPY” award for courage to constant on-air debates over the NFL’s national anthem controversy.


“ESPN just continues to pile problems on itself by continuing its tired trope of liberal programming and moralizing. And when it comes to liberal moralizing, who better than the seemingly-forgotten Keith Olbermann? ESPN’s decision to hire the conservative-bashing blowhard only reinforces what it’s ever-fleeting viewers already know – the network cares more about advancing leftists causes than it does about sports, or, frankly, its own ratings,” National Center for Public Policy Research general counsel Justin Danhof told Fox News.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Easy for you to say, Preacher. There really aren't a lot of dehumanizing insults you can throw at a white boy.

Trump's an orangutan because he chooses to go through a gallon of spray on a week.

The deep-rooted racism in comparing a black person to a primate has a history that speaks for itself.

Sure it's easy for me to say. You make it OK based on how it may or may not be received? OK. I'm a preacher. I make it not OK based on intent. I thought my post made that pretty clear.

And for the record, you sound pretty racist, insinuating that black people have thinner skin than white people. I guess it's OK to degrade the skin of other races if it's not about color, but thinness?

I'd kindly ask you to refrain from putting words in my mouth, firstly.

I didn't insinuate anything. I plainly stated that comparing black folks to primates/savages (a la porchmonkey and spearchucker along with several visual depictions of them as apes) is an incredibly old and offensive dehumanization that will never -- and I mean NEVER -- compare to making fun of a white man's tacky tanning habits.

I get that you do the devil's advocate schtick as you've often admitted to it, and I think it's well placed amd intellectually challenging at times. This, however, is just in poor taste. ...

Now... (If this is tl/dr. that's OK.)

I'm not playing devil's advocate. I am being both serious and genuine. If anything, I am being Bible-advocate. And before posting further, I will say that this is what I consider to be the goal and morally right thing to do, yet something I fail at every day.

Scripture says to bridle the tongue and only speak to/about someone in such a way that it is beneficial, true, etc... in love. Further, our actions should be the same, done out of love, for benefit, etc...

To try to create some gradiation of "good/better/best" within that is ridiculous from a Biblical moral perspective.

You disagree. I get it. However, I believe you to be cheapening the concept of racist insults as wrong by trying to somehow make them "more wrong" than other insults and verbal attacks.

Why are racist verbal attacks wrong? You've never fully answered that. In believe you have answered what makes them "more wrong", and the reason for that is a seamlessly integrated couple of reasons.

You changed my argument from "wrong" to "offensive". You seem to argue that racial verbal attacks are wrong-er because they are more offensive. But I'm not talking about more offensive. I find the term "spear-chucker" much more offensive than "orange orangatang". But we're not talking about more offensive. We're talking about more wrong.

You seem to claim that racist attacks are more offensive and more wrong because of social issues. Because of cultural baggage. It is "more wrong" to attack someone in that way simply due to society. But if you can make something "more wrong" due to social issues, you can make it "less wrong" due to social issues. And if you can do that, you aren't really calling it wrong at all.

I say it's wrong at all times and in all places to call someone a "spear-chucker" for the intent of dehumanizing, hurting, offending, etc. I say that such motives are always wrong. Neither more wrong nor less wrong due to culture, society, history, audience or opinion.

It's wrong because your motive is hate and harm.

I say that it is equally wrong to call Donald Trump an orangutan out of hate/dislike/etc for the intent of offense, hurt, harm, etc.

Despite culture, society, history, audience or opinion. Even despite his previous actions and whether I think he deserves all that he gets.

It's wrong due to the motive behind it.

So, I'm not playing devil's advocate. I can honestly say that it is always wrong to verbally attack someone racially due to motive behind it. And because I believe it to be truly wrong. Seriously wrong. Terribly wrong. I can't say that it is any more or less wrong than when anyone else attacks anyone else for the same motive.

How about you? Do you believe racial verbal attacks to be truly wrong? Why or why not?

 

[Sin City Vol]

White House: 'No one's defending' Roseanne, but Trump still owed apology - CNNPolitics

The media is saying "the most horrible things" about the President and no one is saying anything about that? WHAT THE **** ???????


You mean like pointing out all of his lies, his behavior with women, his constant deceit? That kind of horrible thing? Got news for you: those aren't remotely the equivalent of Barr's tweet. Not in the same universe. Plus all of those observations about Trump are completely true.

Trump...the ultimate snowflake

 

[T-TownVol]

Trump...the ultimate troll

fify.....