Trump called Roseanne Barr to congratulate her on huge ratings success

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Comparing reaction to RB's twitter postings to the NFL kneeling thing is weak because the former is punishing her for her voluntarily spoken words, whereas the latter is compelling expression.


The 1st Amendment applies to neither directly, as pointed out by others, because that proscribes government conduct. Having said that, an interesting argument can be made if you can show that government pressure on the NFL owners, i.e. by Trump calling for firings over it, caused the policy to occur, then that might open Trump up to civil liability for causing free expression curtailment. Its a long shot, though.
 
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AirVol said:
Rosanne apologized too. People should forgive her now right?
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You are free to.


In fact, some here obviously had no problem with what she said to begin with. My hunch is that the same people who would forgive and forget are the same ones who had no problem with it to begin with.
 
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Weezer said:
I disagree. If you have to watch what you say in fear of being fired for it, how exactly is that free speech? Again, I don't support what she said. I disagree with it strongly. If she wanted to make a point, she should have stayed with factual criticism rather than crossing the line she did. But it seems she is being punished because people didn't like what she had to say. So where is the line on free speech?
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The 1st amendment never protected anyone from being fired by a private employer. Hopefully it never will.
 
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Weezer said:
I disagree. If you have to watch what you say in fear of being fired for it, how exactly is that free speech? Again, I don't support what she said. I disagree with it strongly. If she wanted to make a point, she should have stayed with factual criticism rather than crossing the line she did. But it seems she is being punished because people didn't like what she had to say. So where is the line on free speech?
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As has been pointed out, the constitution doesn't protect a private entity from applying consequences to employee speech and behavior.
 
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Weezer said:
Whether or not she meant them to be so(she claims she didn't), Roseanne's comments were abhorrently racist.

Not defending her actions in the least, but here's my question. The comments were from her twitter. By firing her for said comment, is ABC impeding her First Amendment right of free speech? I know the typical left response will probably be along the lines of suggesting I'm condoning her words. I'm not. It's really a simple question. Does free speech only apply when the person speaking is saying things you agree with? What are the actual limits you set on free speech?

And twisting this around to something a little different, like I said, she did this on twitter, not while on the job. And yet most people feel ABC is well within their rights to cancel her show. Contrast that with NFL players acting out while on the job but certain people feel punishing them would infringe upon their right to protest. Seems like "rights" are being selectively defended.


My personal opinion, genuine racism is abhorrent. I in no way support it, though I'm sure some will suggest I do. You can look at this simply, or you can look at the actual complexities involved. When it comes to "rights", who gets to draw the lines?
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If you've read many of my posts, you know I am all about drawing lines. It has to be done and there almost always will be quite a bit of grey area. Society ultimately will always draw and interpret the lines.

Society in this instance, clearly finds "racists" comments much more unacceptable than "unpatriotic" protests.

I think ABC would defend Barr's right to say what she wishes just as strongly as they would defend their own right to cancel the show.
 
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AirVol said:
Rosanne apologized too. People should forgive her now right?
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I'm not black, it's up to them to forgive - as it was with Senator Byrd.

Actions speak louder than words.

You're making yourself look ridiculous.

BTW, what's your boy Roy Moore up to these days?
 
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T-TownVol said:
So, Sarah H Sanders is "fair game"????
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She is fair game. That’s ok. She should and is. That’s my biggest problem with the Trump administration, they can’t take a joke or laugh at themselves. Don’t be mad at Alec Baldwin, Bush wasn’t mad or embarrassed by Will Ferrell. Just laugh it off. Be the bigger person. The left is never going to back off of this administration, so embrace it and show the media what dickheads they have become by not insulting them, but by laughing at them and not giving them anywhere to go with their story.
 
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AirVol said:
She is also has French, Scottish, and Native American.
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So, she's a mutt like many of us would be when submitted to genetic testing. I was responding to your stupid assertion that she can't be African American because she was born in Iran.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Comparing reaction to RB's twitter postings to the NFL kneeling thing is weak because the former is punishing her for her voluntarily spoken words, whereas the latter is compelling expression.


The 1st Amendment applies to neither directly, as pointed out by others, because that proscribes government conduct. Having said that, an interesting argument can be made if you can show that government pressure on the NFL owners, i.e. by Trump calling for firings over it, caused the policy to occur, then that might open Trump up to civil liability for causing free expression curtailment. Its a long shot, though.
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Compelling expression to who? Mind you, far more people are offended by Barr's comments, but are you telling me no one finds the NFL players kneeling during the anthem to be offensive? Not to mention they are actually at work when conducting their protests. Yet the NFL's new rule, which is basically just establishing a certain code of conduct while on the job, is somehow overstepping?
 
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Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files obtained by Judicial Watch reveal that the dad, maternal grandpa and father-in-law of President Obama’s trusted senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, were hardcore Communists under investigation by the U.S. government.

Jarrett’s dad, pathologist and geneticist Dr. James Bowman, had extensive ties to Communist associations and individuals, his lengthy FBI file shows. In 1950 Bowman was in communication with a paid Soviet agent named Alfred Stern, who fled to Prague after getting charged with espionage. Bowman was also a member of a Communist-sympathizing group called the Association of Interns and Medical Students. After his discharge from the Army Medical Corps in 1955, Bowman moved to Iran to work, the FBI records show.


Jarrett’s father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, was also another big-time Chicago Communist, according to separate FBI files obtained by JW as part of a probe into the Jarrett family’s Communist ties. For a period of time Vernon Jarrett appeared on the FBI’s Security Index and was considered a potential Communist saboteur who was to be arrested in the event of a conflict with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). His FBI file reveals that he was assigned to write propaganda for a Communist Party front group in Chicago that would “disseminate the Communist Party line among…the middle class.”

It’s been well documented that Valerie Jarrett, a Chicago lawyer and longtime Obama confidant, is a liberal extremist who wields tremendous power in the White House. Faithful to her roots, she still has connections to many Communist and extremist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Jarrett and her family also had strong ties to Frank Marshal Davis, a big Obama mentor and Communist Party member with an extensive FBI file.

JW has exposed Valerie Jarrett’s many transgressions over the years, including her role in covering up a scandalous gun-running operation carried out by the Department of Justice (DOJ). Last fall JW obtained public records that show Jarrett was a key player in the effort to cover up that Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about the Fast and Furious, a disastrous experiment in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed guns from the U.S. to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels. Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of hundreds of weapons which have been used in an unknown number of crimes, including the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
She is fair game. That’s ok. She should and is. That’s my biggest problem with the Trump administration, they can’t take a joke or laugh at themselves. Don’t be mad at Alec Baldwin, Bush wasn’t mad or embarrassed by Will Ferrell. Just laugh it off. Be the bigger person. The left is never going to back off of this administration, so embrace it and show the media what dickheads they have become by not insulting them, but by laughing at them and not giving them anywhere to go with their story.
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And how many times did Obama respond to wing nuts with their outrageously false accusations?

ZERO
 
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I just find it funny how logic used to support one cause is so easily perverted to condemn another. Most especially when politics come into play. More often than not, some of you seem to condemn actions, not because they are wrong, but because who took such actions, what political affiliation they adhere to. If a Democrat does something offensive or wrong, fellow Dems defend while Republicans condemn. And if it's a Republican doing wrong, the situation is simply reversed, Republicans defend, and Dems condemn. It rarely seems based on the offensiveness of the actual action.
 
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Final thought for me, next time a liberal refers to Trump as an Oompah-Loompah, can we consider that racist?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) files obtained by Judicial Watch reveal that the dad, maternal grandpa and father-in-law of President Obama’s trusted senior advisor, Valerie Jarrett, were hardcore Communists under investigation by the U.S. government.

Jarrett’s dad, pathologist and geneticist Dr. James Bowman, had extensive ties to Communist associations and individuals, his lengthy FBI file shows. In 1950 Bowman was in communication with a paid Soviet agent named Alfred Stern, who fled to Prague after getting charged with espionage. Bowman was also a member of a Communist-sympathizing group called the Association of Interns and Medical Students. After his discharge from the Army Medical Corps in 1955, Bowman moved to Iran to work, the FBI records show.


Jarrett’s father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, was also another big-time Chicago Communist, according to separate FBI files obtained by JW as part of a probe into the Jarrett family’s Communist ties. For a period of time Vernon Jarrett appeared on the FBI’s Security Index and was considered a potential Communist saboteur who was to be arrested in the event of a conflict with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). His FBI file reveals that he was assigned to write propaganda for a Communist Party front group in Chicago that would “disseminate the Communist Party line among…the middle class.”

It’s been well documented that Valerie Jarrett, a Chicago lawyer and longtime Obama confidant, is a liberal extremist who wields tremendous power in the White House. Faithful to her roots, she still has connections to many Communist and extremist groups, including the Muslim Brotherhood. Jarrett and her family also had strong ties to Frank Marshal Davis, a big Obama mentor and Communist Party member with an extensive FBI file.

JW has exposed Valerie Jarrett’s many transgressions over the years, including her role in covering up a scandalous gun-running operation carried out by the Department of Justice (DOJ). Last fall JW obtained public records that show Jarrett was a key player in the effort to cover up that Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about the Fast and Furious, a disastrous experiment in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) allowed guns from the U.S. to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels. Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of hundreds of weapons which have been used in an unknown number of crimes, including the murder of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona.
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So, McCarthyism documents from the second Red Scare?
 
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Weezer said:
I just find it funny how logic used to support one cause is so easily perverted to condemn another. Most especially when politics come into play. More often than not, some of you seem to condemn actions, not because they are wrong, but because who took such actions, what political affiliation they adhere to. If a Democrat does something offensive or wrong, fellow Dems defend while Republicans condemn. And if it's a Republican doing wrong, the situation is simply reversed, Republicans defend, and Dems condemn. It rarely seems based on the offensiveness of the actual action.
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Sadly, this is an accurate representation of our current political climate.
 
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Weezer said:
I just find it funny how logic used to support one cause is so easily perverted to condemn another. Most especially when politics come into play. More often than not, some of you seem to condemn actions, not because they are wrong, but because who took such actions, what political affiliation they adhere to. If a Democrat does something offensive or wrong, fellow Dems defend while Republicans condemn. And if it's a Republican doing wrong, the situation is simply reversed, Republicans defend, and Dems condemn. It rarely seems based on the offensiveness of the actual action.
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Proof of the massive political divide in this country. Both sides are at fault, and I'm not sure if it ends. It will only get worse.
 
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