Trump calls for terminating or at least suspending the Constitution

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I fail to see much difference between "terminate the portion of the constitution I don't like at the moment" and "terminate the entire constitution" and people trying to argue semantics here are just grasping at straws. It's an incredibly problematic statement whichever way you take it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because if Charles Rettig had conducted the audits while Trump was in office, those audits would appeared to have been politically motivated. After all of the outrage expressed on this forum over the years concerning Lois Lerner (which by the way, I have never defended) ... it is very telling that you guys will defend Trump for this.

The reality is that you don't care if a President uses the IRS as a weapon against political enemies .... as long as it is a Republican who is doing it. Your outrage is selective based on partisanship.
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It's a Republican tradition. Nixon was all the time sending the IRS against his "enemies."
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
Guilty, you must prove your innocent.
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This is what Trumo wants to do. He has declared the vote invalid, but has not provided any evidence of wrong doing. Multiple people/groups tried to prove it in court, and didnt get anywhere close.

So that Trumo wants to assume guilt until someone else proves the vote innocent.
 
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AM64 said:
True, but those press passes gain right of access - that's the accreditation I'm talking about. You can play with definitions if you like. And I didn't say NBC and CNN had broadcast licenses; I said they have agreements with licensed broadcasters.

I'm not in favor of censorship, but I'm very much in favor of honesty. Saying that Trump wanted to terminate or suspend the Constitution is a lie. To say that Trump proposed setting aside a small fragment of the Constitution would have been truthful. There's a major difference; if an organization supposed to be reporting fact can't state that succinctly, then they've got a major credibility problem. Listen to any nightly news broadcast on ABC, CBS, NBC with an open mind and you'll see the censorship and dishonesty. They don't report some stuff that doesn't fit the agenda, and flavor the stuff they do report ... sometimes with a snide comment, sometimes with a facial expression, and sometimes with a lie (either omission or commission). To say Trump called for terminating or suspending the Constitution is a lie by commission because reporters knew that wasn't what was said. Remember a few years ago one news organization broadcast an edited statement by cutting words - not just by ending it at a convenient point; that's absolutely dishonest reporting.
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And they've been doing it since media existed. One good thing about the world wide web is that it's easier to find truth if one looks.
 
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AM64 said:
Of course, I don't condone suspending or terminating the Constitution - or even a part of it unless that is done through the approved Amendment process. My issue is that as usual the media are twisting words again. Trump says one thing and the media report something else.

BTW suspending, terminating, or ignoring the Constitution is done all the time in DC. Think back to the legislation and presidential executive orders that have gone into effect and then been ruled unconstitutional. Trump talked about doing something on a limited scale - others in DC just do it without acknowledging that what they are doing is in violation of the Constitution.

I'm not agreeing with Trump. The issue is the media ... AGAIN. They distort much and can't be trusted with fact. It's that simple.
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Reading Trump's quote in post 168 above it sure looks like he was saying to do whatever it takes, Constitution be damned, to toss the 2020 election results. How could that be out of context? Was there another line saying 'nah but really all that except for the constitution bit'?
 
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EasternVol said:
And they've been doing it since media existed. One good thing about the world wide web is that it's easier to find truth if one looks.
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At least you can find enough stuff from different viewpoints on the web to either get a decent picture and/or figure out that there's a whole lot that one side or the other doesn't want coming to light.
 
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EasternVol said:
Reading Trump's quote in post 168 above it sure looks like he was saying to do whatever it takes, Constitution be damned, to toss the 2020 election results. How could that be out of context? Was there another line saying 'nah but really all that except for the constitution bit'?
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I get that. I've just been pointing out that there's a big difference in tossing the whole Constitution vs not following part of it. Politicians have been violating parts for a long long time - and sometimes they get smacked by the courts for doing so. Nobody considers that trashing the whole document and all the amendments. This is the liberal press sensationalizing again, and using another part of the Constitution to do so. Apparently there are a lot of people who apparently propose suspending or terminating the entire Constitution because they want to limit what the 2nd Amendment guarantees - and then there's the often abused 10th Amendment. Even the most diehard on the right aren't equating abuses of those as terminating the entire document.
 
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AM64 said:
I get that. I've just been pointing out that there's a big difference in tossing the whole Constitution vs not following part of it. Politicians have been violating parts for a long long time - and sometimes they get smacked by the courts for doing so. Nobody considers that trashing the whole document and all the amendments. This is the liberal press sensationalizing again, and using another part of the Constitution to do so. Apparently there are a lot of people who apparently propose suspending or terminating the entire Constitution because they want to limit what the 2nd Amendment guarantees - and then there's the often abused 10th Amendment. Even the most diehard on the right aren't equating abuses of those as terminating the entire document.
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Those are good points. I think it's notable though that he came out and put it in writing. That's taking it to another level. Sounds too much like Lincoln.
 
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EasternVol said:
Those are good points. I think it's notable though that he came out and put it in writing. That's taking it to another level. Sounds too much like Lincoln.
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Except he really didn't say that anymore than he told people to drink bleach. The statement, I believe, amounts to this:

“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

Which if you read it, says that he proposing termination of the rules regarding the election to force a different result. It specifically refers to the election rules - even those in the Constitution. The subject is election rules, and not the entire Constitution. That's a big difference. Nobody claims the people wanting to limit what the 2nd Amendment allows as terminating or suspending the Constitution; they could justify the claim as well as the anti-Trump people are doing here.
 
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AM64 said:
Except he really didn't say that anymore than he told people to drink bleach. The statement, I believe, amounts to this:

“Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

Which if you read it, says that he proposing termination of the rules regarding the election to force a different result. It specifically refers to the election rules - even those in the Constitution. The subject is election rules, and not the entire Constitution. That's a big difference. Nobody claims the people wanting to limit what the 2nd Amendment allows as terminating or suspending the Constitution; they could justify the claim as well as the anti-Trump people are doing here.
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The Constitution is made of its articles, clauses, etc. so I don't see the argument that it's not so bad because he didn't say to scrap the whole thing.
Yes other presidents have circumvented the USC (Barry the drone boy comes to mind) but they should have been held to account.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This was a direct quote from Trump. Hardly ignorant when you idol said it.

If you are voting for trump after that statement you are never again allowed to bring up the constitution because you don't believe in it.
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Lol
While I agree with you that trump is no different than Biden I don’t think you have the authority to censor him.
 
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EasternVol said:
Was LBJ a Republican too?
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Standard false flag response. I simply said that the Republicans have a tradition of doing something and you respond with a single unsupported assertion. Even if you give credence to the LBJ assertion, that does not equate to multiple incidences for Republicans.
 
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WBO said:
Standard false flag response. I simply said that the Republicans have a tradition of doing something and you respond with a single unsupported assertion. Even if you give credence to the LBJ assertion, that does not equate to multiple incidences for Republicans.
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That's not what false flag means. The point is that Democrats as a group are no cleaner than Republicans historically. LBJ was one dirty SOB.
 
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