Trump calls for terminating or at least suspending the Constitution

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Sudden Impact said:
Hence my point, he will take Some Republican votes with him.
Trump is his own nightmare right now.
It is as if he could care less about the Presidency.
His Constitutional statements as well as his dinner with YE & Fuentes were not the brightest moves.

Keeps on bashing members of the Republican Party. He is losing his grip on the party. Not sure what he has on some people in the GOP but he will call shout them out as he becomes more desperate and loses support.

The above has self destruction all over it as it was cute at first but has gotten old and unworthy of comment.

Legal issues do not help but those are not even factored into the above equation.
Trump is a Crap Stirrer. Pretty simple.

Going to be a very interesting 2 years.
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Third party candidacy?

Upside is he gets to keep all the money from the MAGA hat sales. Maybe he will tether that to other deals.

Like some kind of a Trump Loyalty Program. Buy a MAGA hat, get 3 points. Trump steak, 10 points. Trump wine, there is a special, you get 25 points and a free gift (keychain).

Amass 600 points and you get an autographed picture of Trump. 10,000 points and you get a free classified document from the Mar a Lago files.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I understand what the IRS is claiming now ... but it's bull $hit.

The fact is, that at the time the audits of McCabe and Comey were conducted, the Commissioner of the IRS was a Trump appointee named Charles Rettig... Rettig was serving out the end of his 5 year term under Biden ... but once again, he had been appointed by Trump. Rettig was serving under Trump when Trump ordered the audits to be conducted, and he was still serving when they were conducted.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3709576-rettig-out-as-IRS-commissioner/

^^^ From the above article in The Hill. ^^^

"Democrats were also mad about the special type of audits given to two former top FBI officials who became political enemies of Trump after they left office. They said that it was statistically highly suspicious that both officials should have received the audits and that it looked like punishment for disloyalty."
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Wow, I guess you've really got him ... this time ... again. BTW, who commissioned the Trump investigations on false premises, and why don't you consider that abuse of power?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It was John Kelly who claimed that Donald Trump ordered those audits. He is not a Democrat. In fact, he was Trump's longest serving White House Chief of Staff.
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So why did the Trump appointee ignore Trump's wishes while Trump was in power and could replace him if he desired. And why after Trump is no longer in office (in fact, two years later) and the appointee is "masterless" can you claim he's doing Trump's bidding. You guys are amazing at taking two alleged incidents and "proving" correlation.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
NBC and CNN do not have broadcast licenses, and you don't need "accreditation" to work as a journalist. It still sounds like you are in favor of censorship in some cases. That's very inconsistent with all the whining we get from the right about the censorship of conservatives by big tech. You can't have it both ways.
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True, but those press passes gain right of access - that's the accreditation I'm talking about. You can play with definitions if you like. And I didn't say NBC and CNN had broadcast licenses; I said they have agreements with licensed broadcasters.

I'm not in favor of censorship, but I'm very much in favor of honesty. Saying that Trump wanted to terminate or suspend the Constitution is a lie. To say that Trump proposed setting aside a small fragment of the Constitution would have been truthful. There's a major difference; if an organization supposed to be reporting fact can't state that succinctly, then they've got a major credibility problem. Listen to any nightly news broadcast on ABC, CBS, NBC with an open mind and you'll see the censorship and dishonesty. They don't report some stuff that doesn't fit the agenda, and flavor the stuff they do report ... sometimes with a snide comment, sometimes with a facial expression, and sometimes with a lie (either omission or commission). To say Trump called for terminating or suspending the Constitution is a lie by commission because reporters knew that wasn't what was said. Remember a few years ago one news organization broadcast an edited statement by cutting words - not just by ending it at a convenient point; that's absolutely dishonest reporting.
 
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AM64 said:
So why did the Trump appointee ignore Trump's wishes while Trump was in power and could replace him if he desired. And why after Trump is no longer in office (in fact, two years later) and the appointee is "masterless" can you claim he's doing Trump's bidding. You guys are amazing at taking two alleged incidents and "proving" correlation.
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Because if Charles Rettig had conducted the audits while Trump was in office, those audits would appeared to have been politically motivated. After all of the outrage expressed on this forum over the years concerning Lois Lerner (which by the way, I have never defended) ... it is very telling that you guys will defend Trump for this.

The reality is that you don't care if a President uses the IRS as a weapon against political enemies .... as long as it is a Republican who is doing it. Your outrage is selective based on partisanship.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Because if Charles Rettig had conducted the audits while Trump was in office, those audits would appeared to have been politically motivated. After all of the outrage expressed on this forum over the years concerning Lois Lerner (which by the way, I have never defended) ... it is very telling that you guys will defend Trump for this.

The reality is that you don't care if a President uses the IRS as a weapon against political enemies .... as long as it is a Republican who is doing it. Your outrage is selective based on partisanship.
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Wrong. It doesn't matter who is in office; using the IRS or DOJ to target someone for personal reasons is never appropriate. That doesn't preclude calling for the DOJ to investigate what would appear to be a criminal act. Using the IRS or any other agency for harassment is wrong, and I don't think you find anybody here supporting it.
 
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AM64 said:
Saying that Trump wanted to terminate or suspend the Constitution is a lie.
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This is the Trump Truth Social Post verbatim :

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

Trump doesn't place limitations on what can supposedly be terminated within the Constitution.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is the Trump Truth Social Post verbatim :

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

Trump doesn't place limitations on what can supposedly be terminated within the Constitution.
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It doesn't take genius to know that if you put in the rest of the context that he was talking about the presidential election and how the count should be conducted. "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles" meant those issues dealing with the electoral count - not the constitution itself. There is no way that one can be honest and take this statement to mean Trump was in favor of suspending - or certainly terminating - the Constitution. Your side is simply twisting statement and fact as usual.

Here's a fun fact. Mail in voting didn't follow legislative rules in a few states. It was a spur of the moment thing concocted by dems to gain advantage ... a "never let a crisis go to waste" event. It was simply a way around the newly tightened voting standards such as requiring photo ID for voting.
 
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AM64 said:
It doesn't take genius to know that if you put in the rest of the context that he was talking about the presidential election and how the count should be conducted. "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles" meant those issues dealing with the electoral count - not the constitution itself. There is no way that one can be honest and take this statement to mean Trump was in favor of suspending - or certainly terminating - the Constitution. Your side is simply twisting statement and fact as usual.

Here's a fun fact. Mail in voting didn't follow legislative rules in a few states. It was a spur of the moment thing concocted by dems to gain advantage ... a "never let a crisis go to waste" event. It was simply a way around the newly tightened voting standards such as requiring photo ID for voting.
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You are reading something into his post which isn't there. He places no limits on what can be terminated. It is ridiculous for you to accuse people of lying, when all they are doing is repeating his exact words.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Hence my point, he will take Some Republican votes with him.
Trump is his own nightmare right now.
It is as if he could care less about the Presidency.
His Constitutional statements as well as his dinner with YE & Fuentes were not the brightest moves.

Keeps on bashing members of the Republican Party. He is losing his grip on the party. Not sure what he has on some people in the GOP but he will call shout them out as he becomes more desperate and loses support.

The above has self destruction all over it as it was cute at first but has gotten old and unworthy of comment.

Legal issues do not help but those are not even factored into the above equation.
Trump is a Crap Stirrer. Pretty simple.

Going to be a very interesting 2 years.
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We're talking past each other, perhaps. Could it happen? - possible. I just don't think it likely. Trump wants hordes of affection, not Green/Libertarian numbers in what will be a sure losing bid. I think he wants the whole WH enchilada enough to not run as an Indie if he loses the nomination. But who knows...
 
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To say that Trump is wanting to suspend the constitution is a joke. You communists used homeland security to tell twitter to suppress tweets. Having the gov to stop free speech is against the bill of rights and completely illegal. Yet LG cries about this.
 
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AM64 said:
It doesn't take genius to know that if you put in the rest of the context that he was talking about the presidential election and how the count should be conducted. "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles" meant those issues dealing with the electoral count - not the constitution itself. There is no way that one can be honest and take this statement to mean Trump was in favor of suspending - or certainly terminating - the Constitution. Your side is simply twisting statement and fact as usual.

Here's a fun fact. Mail in voting didn't follow legislative rules in a few states. It was a spur of the moment thing concocted by dems to gain advantage ... a "never let a crisis go to waste" event. It was simply a way around the newly tightened voting standards such as requiring photo ID for voting.
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Do you actually trust Trump, or any politician to actually limit their new found power with the Constitution suspended? Think they ever return to normal after fixing one injustice? That is exactly how all these dictators come to power.

It's all one Constitution. We have already seen the damage that can be done with the Consitution in place, only a fool would be ok with removing even parts of it. Players like Fauci are sitting there waiting to get their chance.
 
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Of course, I don't condone suspending or terminating the Constitution - or even a part of it unless that is done through the approved Amendment process. My issue is that as usual the media are twisting words again. Trump says one thing and the media report something else.

BTW suspending, terminating, or ignoring the Constitution is done all the time in DC. Think back to the legislation and presidential executive orders that have gone into effect and then been ruled unconstitutional. Trump talked about doing something on a limited scale - others in DC just do it without acknowledging that what they are doing is in violation of the Constitution.

I'm not agreeing with Trump. The issue is the media ... AGAIN. They distort much and can't be trusted with fact. It's that simple.
 
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AM64 said:
Of course, I don't condone suspending or terminating the Constitution - or even a part of it unless that is done through the approved Amendment process. My issue is that as usual the media are twisting words again. Trump says one thing and the media report something else.

BTW suspending, terminating, or ignoring the Constitution is done all the time in DC. Think back to the legislation and presidential executive orders that have gone into effect and then been ruled unconstitutional. Trump talked about doing something on a limited scale - others in DC just do it without acknowledging that what they are doing is in violation of the Constitution.

I'm not agreeing with Trump. The issue is the media ... AGAIN. They distort much and can't be trusted with fact. It's that simple.
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That doesnt make it ok. Trump was supposed to be different than the swamp in place. But here you are defending Trump's swampiness with what he was supposed to be replacing.

It's the media's job to call out bs like this. Just because it's one sided doesnt mean they should stop.
 
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LouderVol said:
That doesnt make it ok. Trump was supposed to be different than the swamp in place. But here you are defending Trump's swampiness with what he was supposed to be replacing.

It's the media's job to call out bs like this. Just because it's one sided doesnt mean they should stop.
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I'm not defending Trump. My whole point here is that the media are being dishonest. End of story.
 
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GVF said:
Pence carrying out his duties as allotted to him in an honest and ethical manner should make him a front runner this cycle. It won't, but it should. It'd be a breath of fresh air having a person of integrity in the position.
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He does have integrity and he seems to be all around a good person. He's also American Taliban so unless the other options were dire I wouldn't vote for him.
 
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