Trump Deliberately Lied To Americans About Covid 19

[McDad]

Me and McDad types: the government should treat people like they're adults and tell us the truth about threats to our safety and security so that we can make good decisions for our lives.

McDad's vibe in this thread: it's OK that he didn't treat us like adults and tell us the truth about this threat to our safety and security.

Herman Cain might still be alive, for ****'s sake. He believed Trump.

Way too serious about it all. This thread is simply a gotcha against Trump. A candidate I am not voting for anyway. So, I am having fun with the gotcha brigade.

Perhaps you can tell us how many people could have been spared with a better response? No one else seems to be able to.

 

[volbeast33]

Me and McDad types: the government should treat people like they're adults and tell us the truth about threats to our safety and security so that we can make good decisions for our lives.

McDad's vibe in this thread: it's OK that he didn't treat us like adults and tell us the truth about this threat to our safety and security.

Herman Cain might still be alive, for ****'s sake. He believed Trump.

Oh good grief..... Herman Cain knew the risks and decided to take them..... I also take similar risks and live by the Kirk cousins motto..... if I die, I die

 

[MontyPython]

I assume Jordan's seat is safe, but God I'd love him to lose. He and Nunes are the worst. The Boomhauer-sounding guy from GA (Collins?) is a close third.

Don't forget about the Brownshirt Gaetz from Crazytown, FL.

 

[McDad]

Oh good grief..... Herman Cain knew the risks and decided to take them..... I also take similar risks and live by the Kirk cousins motto..... if I die, I die

@n_huffhines brings up an interesting angle, imo.

Do we (do I) get my information from government, elected leaders, and politicians?

I confess, I cannot remember anything I have altered about my habits or way of life because of information disseminated through government. And not just related to this pandemic; I am talking anytime. Maybe I would heed warnings about travelling to a hostile country if I were travelling internationally on a routine basis.

 

[hUTch2002]

Oh come the fick on!!! Had he been up front at the beginning his cult members would have been more careful, thereby reducing the spread.

Can't know the exact number for sure right now, maybe we will one day have some good models for it, but it is a certainty roght now that Trump's ineptitude and LYING killed Americans. Thousands of them.

You’re right. NY and NJ are just full of Trump supporters, NYC particularly. Maybe I was wrong the other day when I said you have some intelligence. I’ll still give you the benefit of the doubt. Your addiction has control.

 

[n_huffhines]

Way too serious about it all. This thread is simply a gotcha against Trump. A candidate I am not voting for anyway. So, I am having fun with the gotcha brigade.

Perhaps you can tell us how many people could have been spared with a better response? No one else seems to be able to.

Even if it's a marginal difference, that would mean a significant amount of lives, so there's that. 191k dead...a 2% improvement is nearly 4k lives saved.

 

[evillawyer]

Don't forget about the Brownshirt Gaetz from Crazytown, FL.

Oh yeah, the one who is such good buddies with a holocaust denier that he brought him as an honored guest to the state of the union address.

 

[37L1]

@n_huffhines brings up an interesting angle, imo.

Do we (do I) get my information from government, elected leaders, and politicians?

I confess, I cannot remember anything I have altered about my habits or way of life because of information disseminated through government. And not just related to this pandemic; I am talking anytime. Maybe I would heed warnings about travelling to a hostile country if I were travelling internationally on a routine basis.

 

[0nelilreb]

Me and McDad types: the government should treat people like they're adults and tell us the truth about threats to our safety and security so that we can make good decisions for our lives.

McDad's vibe in this thread: it's OK that he didn't treat us like adults and tell us the truth about this threat to our safety and security.


Herman Cain might still be alive, for ****'s sake. He believed Trump.

Geez dude .. Herman Cain was a grown azz man making decisions for himself . I guess next you’ll be telling us that we wouldn’t have lost Janis Joplin so soon if somebody had of just warned her about the dangers of heroin . I love the rationale of I don’t trust or believe Trump but I need him to give me directions on a virus . LOL

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Oh good grief..... Herman Cain knew the risks and decided to take them..... I also take similar risks and live by the Kirk cousins motto..... if I die, I die

I agree, Herman Cain was an adult. He knew the risks. He had to sign a waiver for gods sake.

 

[McDad]

Even if it's a marginal difference, that would mean a significant amount of lives, so there's that. 191k dead...a 2% improvement is nearly 4k lives saved.

I understand the hypothetical...and the percentage impact. I don't understand what policy would have been better from the president to achieve the improvement.

One of the few things, I've appreciated about his tenure is he let each state make decisions for the state. I applaud that approach.

 

[hUTch2002]

Xi Jinping is laughing at you.

We all are.

 

[McDad]

Truth!

I do act like an independent woman who don't need no man.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Me and McDad types: the government should treat people like they're adults and tell us the truth about threats to our safety and security so that we can make good decisions for our lives.

McDad's vibe in this thread: it's OK that he didn't treat us like adults and tell us the truth about this threat to our safety and security.

Herman Cain might still be alive, for ****'s sake. He believed Trump.

Maybe it would be good to detail exactly what he didn't tell us, that you wish we would have known?

Saying he downplayed the virus is an approach I agree with. But even if you don't, that isn't in the same universe as lying about statistics or something. And we have it from Fauci that he never did that.

There are two aspects to this:

1) Communicating the information
2) Communicating an opinion about the information.

You guys are generally way more concerned about Trump's opinion on stuff than I am. Considering the American people were going full Beavis on collecting TP in March, I think it's tough to say downplaying was a bad idea. This is assuming he still thought the action items were proportional to the problem.

 

[n_huffhines]

I understand the hypothetical...and the percentage impact. I don't understand what policy would have been better from the president to achieve the improvement.

One of the few things, I've appreciated about his tenure is he let each state make decisions for the state. I applaud that approach.

I don't think he needed to implement any policy. If I were him, I would have told everybody what we knew and believed and left it up to the states and local governments to decide what they thought was right. I definitely wouldn't have given trillions to corporations. Congrats America...he lied and we got bad policy. If you're going to lie, at least do it to pass good policies.

I think you're short-changing how partisan/politicized this became because of the position Trump initially took.

 

[McDad]

Maybe it would be good to detail exactly what he didn't tell us, that you wish we had have known?

Saying he downplayed the virus is an approach I agree with. But even if you don't, that isn't in the same universe as lying about statistics or something. And we have it from Fauci that he never did that.

There are two aspects to this:

1) Communicating the information
2) Communicating an opinion about the information.

You guys are generally way more concerned about Trump's opinion on stuff than I am. Considering the American people were going full Beavis on collecting TP in March, I think it's tough to say downplaying was a bad idea. This is assuming he still thought the action items were proportional to the problem.

Good work on the 2 aspects.

 

[McDad]

I don't think he needed to implement any policy. If I were him, I would have told everybody what we knew and believed and left it up to the states and local governments to decide what they thought was right. I definitely wouldn't have given trillions to corporations. Congrats America...he lied and we got bad policy.

I think you're short-changing how partisan/politicized this became because of the position Trump initially took.

If I understand your last statement correctly, I disagree. Here's my version which I believe to be accurate:
The pandemic is I think you're short-changing how partisan/politicized this became because of the position Trump initially took that's modern-day politics.

 

[n_huffhines]

If I understand your last statement correctly, I disagree. Here's my version which I believe to be accurate:
The pandemic is I think you're short-changing how partisan/politicized this became because of the position Trump initially took that's modern-day politics.

So if Trump had said what he believed to be true about the threat, dems would have taken the other side and we still would have been divided?

 

[VolnJC]

So if Trump had said what he believed to be true about the threat, dems would have taken the other side and we still would have been divided?

Check it out everybody Libertarian fight!

 

[McDad]

So if Trump had said what he believed to be true about the threat, dems would have taken the other side and we still would have been divided?

I do not know what the Ds response would have been. But the politician's ultimate goal is to position themselves to take all credit when things go well and assign blame to anyone besides themselves when things go badly.

We may be able to use the D's response to Trumps travel ban to/from China in the early days of the pandemic as an indicator of how they would've responded. I think he made the correct call. D's took the opportunity to play the racist card.

 

[McDad]

Check it out everybody Libertarian fight! View attachment 305447

huff and I both have permits to fight.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

You are quoting a blogger from a local Halls Shopper type blog

Might want to check actual facts and look at Atlanta and Savannah vs the "rural" areas

Does the author change the facts? COVID-19 Status Report
Is the author/blogger lying? Now we know how much you guys loved to be lied to.

 

[BeecherVol]

I do not know what the Ds response would have been. But the politician's ultimate goal is to position themselves to take all credit when things go well and assign blame to anyone besides themselves when things go badly.

We may be able to use the D's response to Trumps travel ban to/from China in the early days of the pandemic as an indicator of how they would've responded. I think he made the correct call. D's took the opportunity to play the racist card.

Pretty much. At best you would get silence and knit picking after the fact. There wasn't going to be any credit given regardless. The election was and is much more important than the virus ever was.

Fauci seemed to be a tool early on, his recent comments don't seem to stir much conversation. That would be another example outside the travel ban.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

@n_huffhines brings up an interesting angle, imo.

Do we (do I) get my information from government, elected leaders, and politicians?

I confess, I cannot remember anything I have altered about my habits or way of life because of information disseminated through government. And not just related to this pandemic; I am talking anytime. Maybe I would heed warnings about travelling to a hostile country if I were travelling internationally on a routine basis.

Do you disregard food recalls as well?

 

[McDad]

Do you disregard food recalls as well?

Good question. I cannot recall any food I've ever purchased which was recalled. I got the airbags in my acura replaced because of a recall, though.
See everybody? I am a good little sheep after all.