Trump Promises Big Action (on School Prayer)

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I don't mind school led prayer. If the district is majority Muslim, or Jewish, or whatever, that district can agree to prayer in school which in line with the faith of the majority of enrollment. If, as a christian, I don't like it, i can move to a district of like-minded folks.
 
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McDad said:
I don't mind school led prayer. If the district is majority Muslim, or Jewish, or whatever, that district can agree to prayer in school which in line with the faith of the majority of enrollment. If, as a christian, I don't like it, i can move to a district of like-minded folks.
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Ehh, got to say I completely disagree.
 
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McDad said:
I don't mind school led prayer. If the district is majority Muslim, or Jewish, or whatever, that district can agree to prayer in school which in line with the faith of the majority of enrollment. If, as a christian, I don't like it, i can move to a district of like-minded folks.
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If the Muslims, Jews or Christian want to practice their faith in school , they should just build one . It will be easier and whole lot less lawsuits to cut into their funding . ( IMO )
 
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0nelilreb said:
If the Muslims, Jews or Christian want to practice their faith in school , they should just build one . It will be easier and whole lot less lawsuits to cut into their funding . ( IMO )
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Sure, that solution is ideal. It may not be practical especially if an immigrant community of different faith settles in an area and they are poor 1st gen Americans. Those folks huddled together should have direction over their schools. LIkewise, prayer in their school should be an issue they decide upon.
 
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hog88 said:
.gov should not be involved in religion.

My view is that the .gov should be there to protect the minority from the majority and forcing prayer on a non-believer is .gov doing the exact opposite of protecting the minority.
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.gov wouldn't be involved. the people of that district are involved and in control. how would a school sanctioned prayer "force" prayer on anyone? I've bowed my head and been silent during Jewish prayers. Their faith wasn't forced on me and being respectful didn't make me Jewish.
 
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McDad said:
.gov wouldn't be involved. the people of that district are involved and in control. how would a school sanctioned prayer "force" prayer on anyone? I've bowed my head and been silent during Jewish prayers. Their faith wasn't forced on me and being respectful didn't make me Jewish.
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School sanctioned is a different animal than school led as you originally posted. I have no problem with schools sanctioning prayer groups and letting them use the school grounds for meetings. I have a problem with the school designating a time for prayer and having staff lead it.
 
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hog88 said:
School sanctioned is a different animal than school led as you originally posted. I have no problem with schools sanctioning prayer groups and letting them use the school grounds for meetings. I have a problem with the school designating a time for prayer and having staff lead it.
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I did change the terms. Shouldn't have done that. I have no problem with either, though.
Back to your disagreement, how does a faculty member leading prayer harm the minority or force prayer on anyone?
 
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Dumb. If kids want to pray go for it...but not over the intercom..after a football game? Sure. Dont like it? Dont participate. I cant even count the number of times I stood in silence during a prayer when I was in the military. Not my thing but I didnt act like a jackanape over it.
 
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McDad said:
I did change the terms. Shouldn't have done that. I have no problem with either, though.
Back to your disagreement, how does a faculty member leading prayer harm the minority or force prayer on anyone?
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If it's a designated time like we did every morning during elementary school it's the pressure of complying with an authority figure.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
Why not, the gov schools want mandatory teaching that being a tranny is natural or high school kids can abort babies without parental consent.
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Thats not really a bad thing considering the types of people who get the most abortions..
 
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A significant part of the reason why school sponsored/led prayer was removed was because of disagreements among Christian denominations,.

History shows why school prayer is so divisive

I don't think we'll see Irish Catholic students whipped for saying the wrong Lord's Prayer this go 'round, but there will be issues between Christian denominations. Again.

Ohio Supreme Court Justice John Welch, when writing the majority (unanimous) opinion barring mandatory or staff-led prayer in Cincinnati schools, stated the case very eloquently,

“When Christianity asks the aid of government beyond mere impartial protection, it denies itself. Its laws are divine, and not human. Its essential interests lie beyond the reach and range of human governments. United with government, religion never rises above the merest superstition; united with religion, government never rises above the merest despotism; and all history shows us that the more widely and completely they are separated, the better it is for both.”
 
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I think kids should be forced to watch one episode of Days of Our Lives every morning instead of prayer
 
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Matt2496 said:
This is dumb. Doing something like this only caters to one part of his constituency, while simultaneously alienating moderates.

State-sanctioned prayer is a big, fat NO from me.
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This is also true and it was politically dumb. The evangelical community is solidly behind Trump. It's the moderates he should be focused on.
 
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