Trump Will Destroy Children's Lives Just For a Political Jab

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Mick said:
You take the kids of the people that qualify for food stamps and/or participate in summer food programs?
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That’s not my claim at all. You take the kids who are starving. If the government gives you food stamps and you can’t feed your kids, they should be taken from you.
 
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As someone involved with sports there is zero way these healthy lunches would have been enough.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s not my claim at all. You take the kids who are starving. If the government gives you food stamps and you can’t feed your kids, they should be taken from you.
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Luckily there are summer food programs that keep the state out of it, right? I mean, as much as I hear about how the government is worthless and wasteful, and less government is better, you should be happy for free lunches and summer food programs.
 
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Mick said:
Luckily there are summer food programs that keep the state out of it, right? I mean, as much as I hear about how the government is worthless and wasteful, and less government is better, you should be happy for free lunches and summer food programs.
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1. That’s not keeping the state out of it.

2. I’ve been around these programs and these kids are normally very well cared for. Thus the parents being willing to take the kids their to begin with.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Huff what other option is there? We give parents food stamps to feed their kids and their kids still aren’t fed?
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Do nothing is usually the best option for government.

If you can figure out who is taking benefits and not feeding their kids, then I'd rather cut off benefits than take kids, unless the kids ask to be taken.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Well, if you want to be honest; yes. The homeless are drug addict mooches.
No decent person in America is incapable of feeding their kids. How much do you get for 1 kid? 300 a month tax free?
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Decency is subjective. I would argue that not everyone has the shared circumstances of us - and that hard times like unexpected or prolonged unemployment, illness, medical bills etc can put folks in a bad spot. It appears as if you're pigeon holing every hungry kid as having a meth head for a parent, which is ludicrous. From where I'm sitting, recognizing that kids are going to bed hungry every day from sea to shining sea and rolling your eyes because it's easier to blame 'shhty parents' is what's indecent.
 
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Septic said:
Decency is subjective. I would argue that not everyone has the shared circumstances of us - and that hard times like unexpected or prolonged unemployment, illness, medical bills etc can put folks in a bad spot. It appears as if you're pigeon holing every hungry kid as having a meth head for a parent, which is ludicrous. From where I'm sitting, recognizing that kids are going to bed hungry every day from sea to shining sea and rolling your eyes because it's easier to blame 'shhty parents' is what's indecent.
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And food stamps are available for those in “bad spots”
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do nothing is usually the best option for government.

If you can figure out who is taking benefits and not feeding their kids, then I'd rather cut off benefits than take kids, unless the kids ask to be taken.
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Even if severely malnourished?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Do nothing is usually the best option for government.

If you can figure out who is taking benefits and not feeding their kids, then I'd rather cut off benefits than take kids, unless the kids ask to be taken.
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It's responses from those in this thread generally associated with the right that makes me question whether social solidarity would pick up the pieces when and if the government were removed from the equation. The idea of centralized bureaucratic control of entitled welfare is generally viewed as a failure, at least in most regards by me. Do we drop these food programs and hope for the best, that our divided society would altruistically fill such important holes?
 
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Purple Tiger said:
That's called Eugenics. You know the Nazis sterilized people. That is not a very good example to follow.
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There is a long list of questionable items the Nazis did that our government/politicians want to try.

That's a mighty big stone to be throwing at your glass house.
 
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Septic said:
It's responses from those in this thread generally associated with the right that makes me question whether social solidarity would pick up the pieces when and if the government were removed from the equation. The idea of centralized bureaucratic control of entitled welfare is generally viewed as a failure, at least in most regards by me. Do we drop these food programs and hope for the best, that our divided society would altruistically fill such important holes?
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We had mutual aid societies before the welfare state, and I think they would re-emerge. In fact, I think new tech and wealth has unlocked a whole new world of potential for mutual aid societies.
 
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Septic said:
It's responses from those in this thread generally associated with the right that makes me question whether social solidarity would pick up the pieces when and if the government were removed from the equation. The idea of centralized bureaucratic control of entitled welfare is generally viewed as a failure, at least in most regards by me. Do we drop these food programs and hope for the best, that our divided society would altruistically fill such important holes?
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For the most part it worked in the past prior to the "social safety net".
 
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Septic said:
It's responses from those in this thread generally associated with the right that makes me question whether social solidarity would pick up the pieces when and if the government were removed from the equation. The idea of centralized bureaucratic control of entitled welfare is generally viewed as a failure, at least in most regards by me. Do we drop these food programs and hope for the best, that our divided society would altruistically fill such important holes?
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If you do believe the right are so cold hearted (studies I’ve seen show the opposite) you’d still have to believe 50% of society (the left) would fill those gaps, correct?

In truth, I don’t think any cuts should be instant but gradual to give people time to figure things out and charities time to change how they currently operate. But yes, it could be done and was done previous.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We had mutual aid societies before the welfare state, and I think they would re-emerge. In fact, I think new tech and wealth has unlocked a whole new world of potential for mutual aid societies.
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Do you have a good modern day example of a mutual aid society?
 
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hog88 said:
For the most part it worked in the past prior to the "social safety net".
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This is what I am wondering about. I would be interested to see the ratio of people that needed help before the government came in to save the day, vs after. The trends would be telling imo.
 
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LouderVol said:
This is what I am wondering about. I would be interested to see the ratio of people that needed help before the government came in to save the day, vs after. The trends would be telling imo.
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I think we would also see a lot less unwanted children and more people willing to work.
 
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Home insurance
Health insurance
Short & long term disability
Whole and term life insurance
Fire insurance
Various lodges such as Masonic temples, knights of Columbus, etc
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you do believe the right are so cold hearted (studies I’ve seen show the opposite) you’d still have to believe 50% of society (the left) would fill those gaps, correct?

In truth, I don’t think any cuts should be instant but gradual to give people time to figure things out and charities time to change how they currently operate. But yes, it could be done and was done previous.
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I believe that most people identify somewhere in between left and right extremes and that it's not a dichotomy as you are presenting. I would like to believe that society would pick up the pieces but have little optimism or belief that they'd do so. Our society wants to know what's in it for them, right or wrong, and by and large would not go out of their way to pee on others if they were on fire - if it were even moderately inconvenient to do so. Less so if they don't even witness the fire.
 
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