TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

#901
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lawgator1 said:
Re the discussion that HRC was the designee of the establishment, I completely agree that BOTH parties underestimated the penchant, spanning across party lines, for someone that would shake things up, and not be an establishment lackey.

The GOP underestimated that when Trump steamrolled the other 16 largely more traditional nominees. When guys like Graham couldn't even make the cut to get in the main debate, and Trump just stood there and railed against the status quo and insulted people but kept going up in the primary polling, that should have been a clue. Instead, he was treated as a circus clown, to be used just to get people to watch the GOP debates that might not otherwise do so. Just to see what outrageous thing he would say or do next.

In reality, he was solidfying a base of people so exasperated with the status quo that he morphed into a real threat to win the nomination. And then he did.

The Dems took him more seriously. But they 1) underestimated the antipathy toward Clinton; 2) underestimated the exasperation out there (like the GOP did); and 3) made serious errors in assuming prior turnout models would hold true this go 'round.

ALL of that is true. NONE of that means Trump is going to end up being a long term healthy thing for the country. I mean, there are all sorts of temporary cures to a disease that turn things around in the short term, only to be disastrous long term.

I have no problems giving him credit for improving the outloook for the business climate by generally being anti-regulation, and for tax reform, which helps business. And there's been a shot in the arm to the economy, which was improving but at a frustratingly slow pace.

But are those short-term cures setting us up for long term disaster? My personal distaste for the man aside, the jury is still out on that.
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I don't have a crystal ball so I cannot tell you the eventual result of the Trump presidency. But so far, so good.

We all knew Hillary was crooked and would be a disaster, so we dodged that bullet.
 
#902
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lawgator1 said:
Re the discussion that HRC was the designee of the establishment, I completely agree that BOTH parties underestimated the penchant, spanning across party lines, for someone that would shake things up, and not be an establishment lackey.

The GOP underestimated that when Trump steamrolled the other 16 largely more traditional nominees. When guys like Graham couldn't even make the cut to get in the main debate, and Trump just stood there and railed against the status quo and insulted people but kept going up in the primary polling, that should have been a clue. Instead, he was treated as a circus clown, to be used just to get people to watch the GOP debates that might not otherwise do so. Just to see what outrageous thing he would say or do next.

In reality, he was solidfying a base of people so exasperated with the status quo that he morphed into a real threat to win the nomination. And then he did.

The Dems took him more seriously. But they 1) underestimated the antipathy toward Clinton; 2) underestimated the exasperation out there (like the GOP did); and 3) made serious errors in assuming prior turnout models would hold true this go 'round.

ALL of that is true. NONE of that means Trump is going to end up being a long term healthy thing for the country. I mean, there are all sorts of temporary cures to a disease that turn things around in the short term, only to be disastrous long term.

I have no problems giving him credit for improving the outloook for the business climate by generally being anti-regulation, and for tax reform, which helps business. And there's been a shot in the arm to the economy, which was improving but at a frustratingly slow pace.

But are those short-term cures setting us up for long term disaster? My personal distaste for the man aside, the jury is still out on that.
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Who hacked LGs account?
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don't have a crystal ball so I cannot tell you the eventual result of the Trump presidency. But so far, so good.

We all knew Hillary was crooked and would be a disaster, so we dodged that bullet.
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I didn't vote for the guy because I thought he was (as GV said) the dog chasing the car. BUT, so far so good, he hasn't done anything I can see that will be disastrous in the long run and if the damn GOP had their **** together on inauguration day they could have accomplished so much by now they would have cemented their majority.
 
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#904
lawgator1 said:
Re the discussion that HRC was the designee of the establishment, I completely agree that BOTH parties underestimated the penchant, spanning across party lines, for someone that would shake things up, and not be an establishment lackey.

The GOP underestimated that when Trump steamrolled the other 16 largely more traditional nominees. When guys like Graham couldn't even make the cut to get in the main debate, and Trump just stood there and railed against the status quo and insulted people but kept going up in the primary polling, that should have been a clue. Instead, he was treated as a circus clown, to be used just to get people to watch the GOP debates that might not otherwise do so. Just to see what outrageous thing he would say or do next.

In reality, he was solidfying a base of people so exasperated with the status quo that he morphed into a real threat to win the nomination. And then he did.

The Dems took him more seriously. But they 1) underestimated the antipathy toward Clinton; 2) underestimated the exasperation out there (like the GOP did); and 3) made serious errors in assuming prior turnout models would hold true this go 'round.

ALL of that is true. NONE of that means Trump is going to end up being a long term healthy thing for the country. I mean, there are all sorts of temporary cures to a disease that turn things around in the short term, only to be disastrous long term.

I have no problems giving him credit for improving the outloook for the business climate by generally being anti-regulation, and for tax reform, which helps business. And there's been a shot in the arm to the economy, which was improving but at a frustratingly slow pace.

But are those short-term cures setting us up for long term disaster? My personal distaste for the man aside, the jury is still out on that.
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I think this is the most objective thing you've written about Trump since the election season.

Who are you and when did you hack LG's account? Furthermore, can you send the passwords to the rest of us so we can have a bit of fun during UT-UF week?

In seriousness (kinda, I still want that password) the apple cart needed to be upset for a long time. I think people believed Obama would do such a thing in 2008. There were other reasons he was elected, but I believe he "bucked" the establishment enough for folks to take notice and believe in the "hope and change." But in the end, he was just another politician.

Enter Trump and Bernie at the end of his term when people were just sick and tired of the same old politicians with the same old words and the same old parties shoving a candidate down their throats. The GOP had Jeb picked out way in advance. The DNC had Hillary. Both of which turned out to be poor choices with the people and it showed at the polls.

If all Trump accomplishes is a brighter economic outlook and cleaning up the Washington bureaucracy even a little, I'd call his term(s) a success. If the Washington "swamp" succeeds in fighting him, the people will lose.
 
#905
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DC_Vol said:
Eh, whatever it was it was some funny stuff. Just a demonstration of what brats loony leftists can be when they lose.

It took Hillary losing for you to run your meetings more efficiently. I'm sure the company is pulling for a 2020 Trump victory so you can double down.
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There are all sorts of short term vs. long term trade offs. The one on which you place the greatest emphasis often impacts a decision. Hard to say which is right and which is wrong. Proper balance is usually the answer. Trump's victory continues to throw off the balance.
 
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hog88 said:
I didn't vote for the guy because I thought he was (as GV said) the dog chasing the car. BUT, so far so good, he hasn't done anything I can see that will be disastrous in the long run and if the damn GOP had their **** together on inauguration day they could have accomplished so much by now they would have cemented their majority.
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This I don't understand. You and GV are just like the establishment GOP. Don't like him but still carrying his water so the establishment can stay in power.
 
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hog88 said:
I didn't vote for the guy because I thought he was (as GV said) the dog chasing the car. BUT, so far so good, he hasn't done anything I can see that will be disastrous in the long run and if the damn GOP had their **** together on inauguration day they could have accomplished so much by now they would have cemented their majority.
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The Republicans are morons.

You are correct that they could have gotten most of what they routinely promise at election time done already. But they obviously don't really care about that stuff they say to their constituents. Most of them would rather have an anti establishment guy out of office than deliver on their election platforms. Very telling! Another bonus from the Trump election.
 
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luthervol said:
There are all sorts of short term vs. long term trade offs. The one on which you place the greatest emphasis often impacts a decision. Hard to say which is right and which is wrong. Proper balance is usually the answer. Trump's victory continues to throw off the balance.
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Ok Confucius.
 
#909
#909
Mick said:
This I don't understand. You and GV are just like the establishment GOP. Don't like him but still carrying his water so the establishment can stay in power.
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None of this makes a lick of sense. How is pointing out the hypocrisy and hysteria of you and those like you carrying anyone's water to keep the establishment in power?
 
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DC_Vol said:
The Republicans are morons.

You are correct that they could have gotten most of what they routinely promise at election time done already. But they obviously don't really care about that stuff they say to their constituents. Most of them would rather have an anti establishment guy out of office than deliver on their election platforms. Very telling! Another bonus from the Trump election.
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So true. I made the decision after the ACA repeal debacle that I will not be voting for any congressional or senatorial incumbent in 18 or 20.
 
#912
#912
Mick said:
This I don't understand. You and GV are just like the establishment GOP. Don't like him but still carrying his water so the establishment can stay in power.
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you are assuming that Trump is actually part of the GOP establishment.
 
#915
#915
Mick said:
I carry my own water.
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#917
#917
Mick said:
Your daily attacks on liberals and Democrats just like the establishment GOP, Your attacks on anything that does not put Trump in a good light, and Your attacks on creditable information.
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lol

Sorry I hurt your feelings so.
 
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#919
#919
Mick said:
It appears you also like to twist the truth or just make up s**t.
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Of course I do.

I did have a chuckle when you referred to "credible" information though. As if there is anything out there that could be construed as "credible" at all.
 
#924
#924
Mick said:
Your daily attacks on liberals and Democrats just like the establishment GOP, Your attacks on anything that does not put Trump in a good light, and Your attacks on creditable information.
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The left is with out a doubt the most cocky, arrogant, self centered bunch of smart asses on planet earth. And it’s not even close.
 
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