TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

[Orange_Crush]

If anyone listens to Hannity and thinks they are hearing anything other than straight right wing talking points given in the most slanted and biased way possible, then they are obviously non-thinking minions.

You are actually 110% correct. The only thing that makes your point laughable is that you think CNN, etc are any better.

 

[davethevol]

Trump calls report he ordered Mueller's firing 'fake news' - The Hill

Also

Trump slams report claiming he sought to fire Mueller, blames 'fake news' | Fox News

Trump argued at the time that Mueller could not be fair because of a dispute over golf club fees that he said Mueller owed at a Trump golf club in Sterling, Va, the report said. The president also believed Mueller he had a conflict of interest because he worked for the same law firm that was representing Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

He clearly has several reasons he shouldn’t be leading the investigation. The fact that he hasn’t recused himself is because he’s a dirty cop.

 

[Vol_Doc]

Trump calls report he ordered Mueller's firing 'fake news' - The Hill

Also

Trump slams report claiming he sought to fire Mueller, blames 'fake news' | Fox News

Trump argued at the time that Mueller could not be fair because of a dispute over golf club fees that he said Mueller owed at a Trump golf club in Sterling, Va, the report said. The president also believed Mueller he had a conflict of interest because he worked for the same law firm that was representing Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

He uses fake news variably to refer to actual false reports and reports that are accurate but unflattering. It's part of his strategy to muddy the waters and control the message. I honestly don't believe him anymore. Fact is that multiple sources, including Fox, have since verified the story and, knowing Trump, it's totally believable.

 

[LouderVol]

Dutch Spied on Russian Group Tied to 2016 U.S. Election Hack - Bloomberg

Hackers from the Dutch intelligence service known as the AIVD gained access to the network of Russian hacking group “Cozy Bear” in the summer of 2014. While monitoring the group’s activities, the AIVD learned of attacks launched on the Democratic Party, according to six unidentified American and Dutch sources cited by the investigation.


The information provided by the Dutch gave grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of Russian interference on the election race between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, according to the newspaper report based on a collaborative investigation with Eelco Bosch van Rosenthal, a journalist at Dutch news program Nieuwsuur. A spokeswoman for the AIVD declined to comment on the report when contacted by phone on Friday.

this is at least the third different attempt to validate the start of the investigation. if you guys had kept a story straight I would be far more likely to believe any of it. you keep crying wolf and wonder why people don't listen to you.

 

[LouderVol]

Hannity. Full on retard. Fox at its finest...

Hannity calls report Trump ordered Mueller’s firing a distraction | TheHill

Then...

Fox News host Sean Hannity said that the network had confirmed the reporting on Thursday after originally calling it a distraction.

"All right, so we have sources tonight just confirming to Ed Henry that, maybe, yeah, Donald Trump wanted to fire the special counsel for conflict. Does he not have the right to raise those questions?" Hannity said.

I swear you guys watch more Fox/Hannity/Right Wing Swill than the rest of us have ever done.

 

[Grand Vol]

I swear you guys watch more Fox/Hannity/Right Wing Swill than the rest of us have ever done.

I haven't even turned on my cable since the end of football season, much less watch Fox.

Why should I? I get all the latest news from Fox and CNN right here.

 

[Mick]

this is at least the third different attempt to validate the start of the investigation. if you guys had kept a story straight I would be far more likely to believe any of it. you keep crying wolf and wonder why people don't listen to you.

All this does is point out that the investigation of Russian efforts to undermine our elections was years in the making. What did you read to make the inference that this was about investigating Trump associates?

 

[davethevol]

All this does is point out that the investigation of Russian efforts to undermine our elections was years in the making. What did you read to make the inference that this was about investigating Trump associates?

Soros tries to undermine them and funds violent demonstrators here in the US. Where’s your outrage about that?

 

[Kane Liffin]

I used to be able to say that a few years ago. We have had a fairly recent influx that makes him look rational, fair and balanced.

10 years ago he was the exact same way as he is now

 

[DC_Vol]

Market is going to tank tomorrow. Knew I should have converted to cash. Dang it.

:lol: Typical LG.

This is why I cannot take you seriously. You're so dramatic and it's always a whiff.

 

[Vol0725]

He clearly has several reasons he shouldn’t be leading the investigation. The fact that he hasn’t recused himself is because he’s a dirty cop.

Not saying Mueller is not a stand-up guy, nonetheless, these 'sort' of questions or arguments should not be coming up in regards to Conflicts of Interest...thus, there are numerous qualified persons that could head up a special counsel, with NO, as in NADA, inklings of conflicts...that's the issue, plus look at who Mueller hired on his team.

Former FBI #2 Says Mueller 'Has A Huge Conflict of Interest' And Should Have Recused Himself | Zero Hedge | Zero Hedge

John Legato is a former deep cover FBI special agent – and he writes that Comey and Mueller – their families have vacationed together, have had picnics together, hours spent at the office together, had a few cocktails after work. So Mueller can’t possibly be impartial here. Not when he’s very close friends with a key witness.

The point is this – he’s not independent.


Under the present circumstances, however, and not without regret, I believe that the same ethics rules the attorney general cited in his Tuesday testimony counsel against Mueller's continuing to serve in the role assigned to him.

Mueller should take a cue from Jeff Sessions and recuse himself

28 USC Section 528 provides:

The Attorney General shall promulgate rules and regulations which require the disqualification of any officer or employee of the Department of Justice, including a United States attorney or a member of such attorney's staff, from participation in a particular investigation or prosecution if such participation may result in a personal, financial, or political conflict of interest, or the appearance thereof. Such rules and regulations may provide that a willful violation of any provision thereof shall result in removal from office.


28 CFR Section 45.2 provides in part:

Disqualification arising from personal or political relationship.
(a) Unless authorized under paragraph (b) of this section, no employee shall participate in a criminal investigation or prosecution if he has a personal or political relationship with:
(1) Any person or organization substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution; or
(2) Any person or organization which he knows has a specific and substantial interest that would be directly affected by the outcome of the investigation or prosecution ...

(c) For the purposes of this section:
(2) Personal relationship means a close and substantial connection of the type normally viewed as likely to induce partiality. ... Whether relationships (including friendships) of an employee to other persons (outside his or her family) or organizations are "personal" must be judged on an individual basis with due regard given to the subjective opinion of the employee.

William G. Otis is an adjunct professor at Georgetown University Law Center, a former federal prosecutor, and former special counsel for President George H.W. Bush.



Whereas under 28 CFR 45.2, no individual can participate in a criminal investigation if he has a personal or political relationship with any organization substantially involved in the conduct that is subject of the investigation;


Whereas under 28 CFR 45.2, no individual may participate in a criminal investigation if the individual's participation would create an appearance of conflict of interest likely to affect public perception of the integrity of the investigation;

Whereas the Code of Federal Regulations, applied to Mr. Mueller, demonstrates that he cannot be allowed to investigate his former colleagues, supervisors, and subordinates;

and

Whereas these obvious conflicts of interest are unacceptable to the United States justice system and the American people:


Rep. Matt Gaetz says Robert Mueller should recuse himself | Tampa Bay Times

 

[hog88]

There are still reporters out there, just few and far between. Pretty sad, honestly.

Not many of them. It all boils down to ratings, you could be the best and most non biased reporter in the world but if you don't generate $$$ you don't have a job.

 

[Vol0725]

All this does is point out that the investigation of Russian efforts to undermine our elections was years in the making. What did you read to make the inference that this was about investigating Trump associates?

Did you read Rosenstein's letter appointing Mueller as special counsel ?

Rosenstein letter appointing Mueller special counsel

 

[hog88]

this is at least the third different attempt to validate the start of the investigation. if you guys had kept a story straight I would be far more likely to believe any of it. you keep crying wolf and wonder why people don't listen to you.

Won't be too long they'll be claiming the Russians notified the FBI.

 

[hog88]

All this does is point out that the investigation of Russian efforts to undermine our elections was years in the making. What did you read to make the inference that this was about investigating Trump associates?

I wonder how much interfering they did in 2012? Who was it that warned us about the Russians and who told them they would have a free hand once reelected?

 

[golfballs]

:lol: Typical LG.

This is why I cannot take you seriously. You're so dramatic and it's always a whiff.

 

[golfballs]

Won't be too long they'll be claiming the Russians notified the FBI.

Haha, true.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Won't be too long they'll be claiming the Russians notified the FBI.

Lol....now that's a good one.

 

[lawgator1]

This where things get squirrelly. While I believe Trump obstructed justice, I highly doubt Mueller would indict him. Rather, I think he'll lay out the case before Congress. It is Congress that is designed to handle high crimes committed by the president, and that vehicle is impeachment.

You are probably right.

 

[Septic]

Their desperation reeks of cheap perfume found only on the highest quality Baltimore street walkers.

I agree completely... We're talking about the FBI texts right?

 

[DC_Vol]

Remember when the hearsay regarding George Papadopoulos was the final nail in trump's coffin?

I haven't heard anything about that in a while. Seems like that was ages ago. Anyone have an update?

 

[Septic]

He's worse than that.

He's a...Gator fan.

I'd take him over a supposed Vol with Lane Kiffin as an avi.

Now I know how you feel when you look at mine.

dammit.

 

[LouderVol]

All this does is point out that the investigation of Russian efforts to undermine our elections was years in the making. What did you read to make the inference that this was about investigating Trump associates?

maybe that it was in the TrumpPutinGateIII "THE END" thread. idk tho, it could be about anything.

 

[Mick]

maybe that it was in the TrumpPutinGateIII "THE END" thread. idk tho, it could be about anything.

Don't let the title fool you. There are more post about Hillary and the Deep state than the Hillary and the deep state thread.

 

[golfballs]

Don't let the title fool you. There are more post about Hillary and the Deep state than the Hillary and the deep state thread.

Because it’s one in the same