TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

[luthervol]

Nunes is a golfer?

He said he once shout a 53.....and still lost to Trump who shot a 51. I believe him; why would he lie?

 

[OuterBanksVol]

GASLIGHTING - I thought it was an interesting concept and could see that it was Trump's and the right wing media's goal. But never in my wildest imagination did I think it would so easily and quickly succeed with so many people.

The inability of so many to distinguish between truth and fiction or legitimate vs. fake news is frightening. I'm curious it there will be a peak and then a move back toward a more enlightened populace or if we are doomed to become increasingly ignorant.

Dude its like Bigfoot... a segment of our ignorant populus WANTS to believe. Ditto the deep state and other conspiracies. As PT Barnum said, there's a sucker born every day.

 

[ajvol01]

Why is no one on the Democrat side disturbed by the fact the DOJ/FBI unethically spied on American citizens by abusing FISA?

Regardless of your opinion of Trump, this is big brother/ police state stuff.

 

[1972 Grad]

I should have used my blue font.

 

[luthervol]

So, Nunes gets you where you want to be (drunk) much quicker than Schiff, right?

If getting drunk as quickly as possible is the goal, then Nunes is your man. (That's actually a pretty good analogy - thanks)

 

[Orange_Crush]

Hardly legitimate at all. By compiling and analyzing the totality of all opinions of those that have seen the memo and understand the motivations behind its creation.

Plus, Nunes is a know partisan hack with no credibility.

So, you don't actually "know" what you claim to "know"?

You are merely inferring motives and taking the word of people who happen to confirm your internal biases while castigating people who don't.

After your "Gaslighting" post, and then having claimed knowledge that you don't have, you look like an amazing hypocrite.

 

[tumscalcium]

GASLIGHTING - I thought it was an interesting concept and could see that it was Trump's and the right wing media's goal. But never in my wildest imagination did I think it would so easily and quickly succeed with so many people.

The inability of so many to distinguish between truth and fiction or legitimate vs. fake news is frightening. I'm curious it there will be a peak and then a move back toward a more enlightened populace or if we are doomed to become increasingly ignorant.

You keep mentioning how the cou try is becoming more and more liberal. That tells you we’re becoming increasingly ignorant.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

All of the important things we are hearing about the talking points memo are already known. It seems pretty obvious I think to anyone that is reasonable that the purpose of all of this is to give Donald cover for declining to meet with or give testimony to Mueller.

The memo gets released. The right wing is in a tizzy fit. Trump says, "Oh, I wanted to testify, believes me. But now it's so tainted it wouldn't be fair."

Pathetic.

But hey, it will cost the GOP the house and Senate. The Dems will then impeach and convict. And the national nightmare of Trump will be over by next summer.

Amen, brother.

Trump will have to testify though. Logistics are debatable, but ultimately if stonewalled, Mueller would just issue a grand jury subpoena. Trump can't refuse... no one is above the law.

 

[ajvol01]

Yes... to report the news. When it's not factual or libelous they get SUED. Trumps lies, on the other hand, get him more votes from the village idiot rubes.

2016 Election Forecast: Who Will Be President? - The New York Times

 

[MG1968]

Damn, all this time I thought Adam Schiff was the DA on "Law and Order".

 

[Orange_Crush]

GASLIGHTING - I thought it was an interesting concept and could see that it was Trump's and the right wing media's goal. But never in my wildest imagination did I think it would so easily and quickly succeed with so many people.

The inability of so many to distinguish between truth and fiction or legitimate vs. fake news is frightening. I'm curious it there will be a peak and then a move back toward a more enlightened populace or if we are doomed to become increasingly ignorant.

The article says that Trump may use the Nunes memo as a cover for firing Rosenstein. Trump's hand picked selection to replace Rosenstein would then fire Mueler. The article in no way insinuates that this is proper, just that it is the republican angle. All of it is based on the legitimacy of the Nunes memo. And we know how legitimate that is.

Do you? OK. Tell me how legitimate it is, and how you know.

Hardly legitimate at all. By compiling and analyzing the totality of all opinions of those that have seen the memo and understand the motivations behind its creation.

Plus, Nunes is a know partisan hack with no credibility.

You didn't tell me anything you *know*. All you did was vomit back what the liberal media told you to believe, after castigating the right for being too dumb to realize they were being gaslighted.

It would be funny if it weren't so utterly tragic.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Why is no one on the Democrat side disturbed by the fact the DOJ/FBI unethically spied on American citizens by abusing FISA?

Regardless of your opinion of Trump, this is big brother/ police state stuff.

Most likely because we aren't convinced that happened and Nunes' memo with his cherry picked information won't change anything. His stunt last March still resonates in our memories. Nunes has no integrity and has served too aggressively as a Trump advocate to be taken seriously as an independent investigator.

 

[luthervol]

So, you don't actually "know" what you claim to "know"?

You are merely inferring motives and taking the word of people who happen to confirm your internal biases while castigating people who don't.

After your "Gaslighting" post, and then having claimed knowledge that you don't have, you look like an amazing hypocrite.

Of course I don't actually "know" and of course I am inferring motives. No one knows and everyone is inferring at this point. That WAS the point. (It's not as much fun when I have to spell it out)

The Nunes memo crazies are acting as if it's legitimate and factual. There is no proof of that. Just as there is no proof that it is biased and fake.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Of course I don't actually "know" and of course I am inferring motives. No one knows and everyone is inferring at this point. That WAS the point. (It's not as much fun when I have to spell it out)

The Nunes memo crazies are acting as if it's legitimate and factual. There is no proof of that. Just as there is no proof that it is biased and fake.

Keep reading. You indicted yourself with the "gaslighting" diatribe, then affirmed you're no better.

Like I said, I'd laugh if I were a mean person. Instead, I just view you as a very tragic figure that just can't stop publicly exposing yourself.

 

[1972 Grad]

Of course I don't actually "know" and of course I am inferring motives. No one knows and everyone is inferring at this point. That WAS the point. (It's not as much fun when I have to spell it out)

The Nunes memo crazies are acting as if it's legitimate and factual. There is no proof of that. Just as there is no proof that it is biased and fake.

Tick tock Luther.

 

[hog88]

Nunes is pure partisan with zero credibility and zero integrity.

Shiff is partly partisan with some credibility and a good deal of integrity.

Beer, wine, and PGA are all alcoholic beverages. They obviously have alcohol in common.

Nunes and Shiff are both politicians and obviously have partisanship and party loyalty in common.

If alcohol equals biased partisanship, then Shiff is wine and Nunes is PGA.

If PGA tour players drank during rounds it would be much more fun to watch.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Of course I don't actually "know" and of course I am inferring motives. No one knows and everyone is inferring at this point. That WAS the point. (It's not as much fun when I have to spell it out)

The Nunes memo crazies are acting as if it's legitimate and factual. There is no proof of that. Just as there is no proof that it is biased and fake.

And "everyone" isn't inferring. Some people do know. The truth will eventually come out, whether it be against Trump, or against the former administration.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

2016 Election Forecast: Who Will Be President? - The New York Times

OMG. Dude, you don't even understand what a forecast is? Can you even read? Read the first paragraph:

"The estimates on this page are based on pre-election polls. For an estimate including results, The Times is providing live forecasts on election night."

Using your "logic", you'd call your weather forecast "fake news", then sue your local meteorologist when his predictions are wrong. :crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[MG1968]

If PGA tour players drank during rounds it would be much more fun to watch.

John Daly was a better golfer when he was three sheets to the wind.

 

[hog88]

Amen, brother.

Trump will have to testify though. Logistics are debatable, but ultimately if stonewalled, Mueller would just issue a grand jury subpoena. Trump can't refuse... no one is above the law.

Oh, I wouldn't count my chickens before they hatch. Muller will have to show a judge why he needs POTUS in front of a grand jury.

 

[ajvol01]

Most likely because we aren't convinced that happened and Nunes' memo with his cherry picked information won't change anything. His stunt last March still resonates in our memories. Nunes has no integrity and has served too aggressively as a Trump advocate to be taken seriously as an independent investigator.

None of the "coincidences" cause you to doubt or consider something other than the MSM version of the story?

FBI missing 50,000 text messages
Hillary missing 33,000 emails
Comey writes exoneration speech for Hillary before interview
Comey leaks classified information to friend
Comey claims friend is now his personal attorney
Susan Rice claims she is Hillary's personal attorney

And on and on and on....

 

[ajvol01]

OMG. Dude, you don't even understand what a forecast is? Can you even read? Read the first paragraph:

"The estimates on this page are based on pre-election polls. For an estimate including results, The Times is providing live forecasts on election night."

Using your "logic", you'd call your weather forecast "fake news", then sue your local meteorologist when his predictions are wrong. :crazy::crazy::crazy:

So who did they poll? The DNC?

 

[Orange_Crush]

GASLIGHTING - I thought it was an interesting concept and could see that it was Trump's and the right wing media's goal. But never in my wildest imagination did I think it would so easily and quickly succeed with so many people.

The inability of so many to distinguish between truth and fiction or legitimate vs. fake news is frightening. I'm curious it there will be a peak and then a move back toward a more enlightened populace or if we are doomed to become increasingly ignorant.

Of course I don't actually "know" and of course I am inferring motives. No one knows and everyone is inferring at this point. That WAS the point. (It's not as much fun when I have to spell it out)

The Nunes memo crazies are acting as if it's legitimate and factual. There is no proof of that. Just as there is no proof that it is biased and fake.

Le sigh...

 

[hog88]

And "everyone" isn't inferring. Some people do know. The truth will eventually come out, whether it be against Trump, or against the former administration.

The truth will never come out.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

John Daly was a better golfer when he was three sheets to the wind.

Ditto Ron White doing stand up.