TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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luthervol said:
Don't know anything about 5 of those things/people. I need to brush up on my right wing conspiracies.
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I urge you to do so. No conspiracy.

Do you know where the WHOLE Russia-Collusion originated?

For example, start here... At the center of Smith’s complaints : former President Bill Clinton, former Secretary of State and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and multiple Australian government officials, including senior diplomat Alexander Downer, that governments high commissioner to the United Kingdom.

Downer hit U.S. headlines recently when he was reported to have told the FBI of a May 2016 conversation he had with George Papadopoulos, (who was ****-faced drunk in a London bar) then a campaign aide to President Donald Trump. Downer told U.S. law enforcement officials that Papadopoulos told him Russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton.

Aussie Complaints Headed to FBI on Clinton Foundation's Dealings Down Under
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There were multiple cyber-security experts and firms which stated that the DNC e-mail leaks were a part of cyber attacks on the DNC committed by two Russian intelligence groups, called Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear. Aside from CrowdStrike there was also Fidelis, FireEye, Mandiant, SecureWorks, Symantec and ThreatConnect. In fact, ThreatConnect also noted possible links between the DNC Leaks project and Russian Intelligence operations because of a similarity with Fancy Bear attack patterns. SecureWorks added that the actor group was operating from Russia on behalf of the Russian government.
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You do know that those other firms just reviewed Crowdstrikes evaluation and never did a forensic investigation of their own don't you?
 
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luthervol said:
Don't know anything about 5 of those things/people. I need to brush up on my right wing conspiracies.
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...and they come and go so fast. What happened to Peter Strzok, Lisa Page and the "secret society meetings"? And the Seth Rich murder conspiracy? And Pizzagate with the Podesta brothers?
 
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hog88 said:
You don't know who many of the players are yet want to argue as if you are informed.
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I find the fact that we have such different "knowledge" fascinating. It's almost as if you all get your info from the same source.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm asking if large corporations are benefited by the Trump economy. How do you not get that?
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You are asking the wrong questions. It's not about whether jobs are created here or there. It's about whether they are able to expand government for their benefit. The fact that you are asking at the "economy" level is a sure indication that you don't know what is being discussed.

You're asking if they are happy with trumps decisions that have had little effect on a market that is about to crash. Obama and the democrats just shoved legislation down our throats that forces every American to purchase a product or the government fines then.

You're asking about "trumps economy" (whatever that is), when less than a decade ago, the liberal democrats and neocons raided us citizen taxpayer money to bail out a criminal banking industry instead of throwing them all in jail.

Back to the down of this conversation. Why do the corporations lean left? Because the have bought our government, and the bigger it gets, the more power they have. Don't ask the questions if you don't want the answers.
 
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hog88 said:
Might want to check that out. Crowdstrike was the only firm to physically examine the servers and data, the others reviewed their work.
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Even assuming that is correct, trying to impugn their reputation won't go anywhere. CrowdStrike is a first rate investigative firm.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sigh. You idiot, he's talking about the review by Wray and his assistant who wanted to take it back to be reviewed by the people who know.

Nunes refused.

Starting last night on Fox, this became "The FBI reviewed it and had no changes." So deliberately misleading.
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I know it can be frustrating being wrong about literally everything, but try not to lash out. It just draws more attention to your sorry state

FBI officials review surveillance memo, could not cite 'any factual inaccuracies': source | Fox News

The two officials – one from the bureau’s counterintelligence division and the other from the legal division – followed up after an initial review of the memo during a rare Sunday trip to Capitol Hill by FBI Director Christopher Wray.
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golfballs said:
I know it can be frustrating being wrong about literally everything, but try not to lash out. It just draws more attention to your sorry state

FBI officials review surveillance memo, could not cite 'any factual inaccuracies': source | Fox News
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The argument I've read from Schiff and other Dems is that Nunes has "cherry picked" his information in the "memo" and this makes it "misleading". Based on his obvious partisanship, that's probably safe to assume.

It's more "secret society" bs.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The argument I've read from Schiff and other Dems is that Nunes has "cherry picked" his information in the "memo" and this makes it "misleading". Based on his obvious partisanship, that's probably safe to assume.

It's more "secret society" bs.
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So he's a partisan but Schiff and other Dems aren't?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even assuming that is correct, trying to impugn their reputation won't go anywhere. CrowdStrike is a first rate investigative firm.
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It's highly likely,Fusion GPS and Crowdstrike, the DNC’s private security firm, were among the redacted contractors of the FBI.

Read this:

Five Things Everyone Is Ignoring About The Ru | The Daily Caller

The court’s decision (link below) reveals that the upper echelon of the FBI (such as James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok and others( deliberately gave unlimited and unsupervised access to the most private raw FISA data to a private contractor. (Can you say Fusion GPS and CrowdStrike?)

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Cert_FISC_Memo_Opin_Order_Apr_2017.pdf

Now, lotta homework here...which mainstream media doesnt cover.

How do we know there was really a problem in the FBI and the DOJ? Read the unclassified decision (above link) of the special super-secret FISA Court — especially beginning at page 83. The FISA Court oversees our spy agencies and the massive data collection operations of our federal government. It operates in utmost secrecy — too much secrecy.

The unclassified FISA court decision reveals major violations by the FBI. The FBI gave private contractors illegal access to the all of the raw data collected by the NSA. The Court noted “an institutional ‘lack of candor’ on NSA’s part and emphasized that ‘this is a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.’”

Apparently, the saga for the court began on March 9, 2016, when “DOJ oversight personnel conducting a minimization review of the FBI’s *** [redacted] learned that the FBI had disclosed raw FISA information, including but not limited to Section 702-acquired information.

Reading between the redactions, that disclosure involved an entity “largely staffed by private contractors.”

On top of that, “certain *** [redacted] contractors had access to raw FISA information on FBI storage systems. ***[redacted] the ***[redacted] contractors had access to raw FISA information that went well beyond what was necessary to respond to the FBI’s requests.”

According to the Court, the “FBI discontinued the above-described access to raw FISA information as of April 18, 2016.”

The court continued, noting “Restrictions were not in place with regard to the *** [redacted] contractors; their access was not limited to raw information for which the FBI sought assistance and access continued even after they had completed their work in response to an FBI request.

The court catalogues a separate violation by the FBI, but most of it is redacted. Footnote 68 of the Court’s decision includes the statement that “the government acknowledges that those disclosures were improper for other reasons.”

It gets worse. The court wrote in Footnote 69 that “improper access granted to the * * *[redacted] contractors . . . * * *[redacted] . . . seems to have been the result of deliberate decision-making. * * *[redacted] access to FBI systems was the subject of an interagency memorandum of understanding (presumably prepared or reviewed by FBI lawyers), no notice of this practice was given to the FISC until 2016.”

NSA Director Admiral Michal S. Rogers, whom James Clapper and others sought to have fired, deserves credit for reporting these problems to the FISA court and for stopping the use of the certain queries which facilitated the abuses of the intelligence systems.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The argument I've read from Schiff and other Dems is that Nunes has "cherry picked" his information in the "memo" and this makes it "misleading". Based on his obvious partisanship, that's probably safe to assume.

It's more "secret society" bs.
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But Schiff's partisanship isn't influencing his comments?
 
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