TrumPutinGate

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'm still not very clear on the rational behind using the electoral college in national elections and popular vote in statewide elections. Some states have tried to implement an electoral college type system for statewide elections but it has always been ruled unconstitutional, I just find that interesting.

You know why its confusing to you and some others? Because men much smarter than you came up with it. Simple as that.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

This is a strange sort of affairs.

I find myself agreeing with 8188.

8188 has been right all along about the witch hunt with the intelligence agencies.

 

[volinbham]

I'm still not very clear on the rational behind using the electoral college in national elections and popular vote in statewide elections. Some states have tried to implement an electoral college type system for statewide elections but it has always been ruled unconstitutional, I just find that interesting.

while your at it - what about the whole primaries (and cauci) systems? You know Hillary won the popular vote in 2008 across the states but Obama had more delegates?

 

[Velo Vol]

while your at it - what about the whole primaries (and cauci) systems? You know Hillary won the popular vote in 2008 across the states but Obama had more delegates?

Oh?

 

[volprof]

You are wrong as usual. Not surprising. This post shows you have little to no understanding other than what some website can give you of what the Electoral college is all about. You probably think the popular vote should be used instead. My God.

Wrong again, Choo-Choo.

I support federalism and support the Electoral College. It failed us, however.

As per our Founding Fathers, the EC was also intended to guard us from populism and from a demagogue. It was to ensure that a piece of crap like Donny - a man so clearly unqualified to be president - never tainted this great Republic.

Instead, the Electors just blindly did the bidding of the masses.

If the FF were alive today to have seen this fake president, they would have supported the EC refusing to vote him in, I have no doubt.

They would have perhaps done the same with Hillary, but I can guarantee you they would have done so with fake president.

 

[volprof]

Watch what's going on with North Korea closely.

Would be a marvelous postponement of the inevitable for the Coup-in-chief.

On a related note, I like Castro's statement from yesterday that he wouldn't be surprised if people end up in jail over this. That was then followed by another congressman, modifying Castro's statement by saying, "I'd be surprised if no one goes to jail."

These aren't nutbag "Lock her up!" folks like Flynn, either.

Anyhow, let's see what distraction we can get distracted by today.

 

[volfanjustin]

Watch what's going on with North Korea closely.

Would be a marvelous postponement of the inevitable for the Coup-in-chief.

On a related note, I like Castro's statement from yesterday that he wouldn't be surprised if people end up in jail over this. That was then followed by another congressman, modifying Castro's statement by saying, "I'd be surprised if no one goes to jail."

These aren't nutbag "Lock her up!" folks like Flynn, either.

Anyhow, let's see what distraction we can get distracted by today.

I agree, Susan Rice should be charged

 

[volinbham]

Volprof - what specifically do you think the nature of the collusion was. For all the accusations across all the media and politicians I haven't seen any specifics of what they believe happened. Give me a theory to critique. Did Team Trump help with the hacks? Did they direct Putin to do it? What specific things do you think happened that amount to collusion?

 

[Hayezb]

Volprof - what specifically do you think the nature of the collusion was. For all the accusations across all the media and politicians I haven't seen any specifics of what they believe happened. Give me a theory to critique. Did Team Trump help with the hacks? Did they direct Putin to do it? What specific things do you think happened that amount to collusion?

Have they come out and denied any of the leaks yet or are we still 100% focused on who collected the information?

 

[Velo Vol]

At least Bannon has been removed from NSC, so there's that.

 

[volinbham]

At least Bannon has been removed from NSC, so there's that.

see, good things can happen

 

[lawgator1]

Volprof - what specifically do you think the nature of the collusion was. For all the accusations across all the media and politicians I haven't seen any specifics of what they believe happened. Give me a theory to critique. Did Team Trump help with the hacks? Did they direct Putin to do it? What specific things do you think happened that amount to collusion?

"Help us out. You really want Trump to win. I will have input into what he does.

Pay me."




Not too hard to figure it out.

 

[volprof]

Volprof - what specifically do you think the nature of the collusion was. For all the accusations across all the media and politicians I haven't seen any specifics of what they believe happened. Give me a theory to critique. Did Team Trump help with the hacks? Did they direct Putin to do it? What specific things do you think happened that amount to collusion?

Thank you for asking.

Have you read the Steele Dossier?

If so, that explains a lot of my suspicions, but not all of them. If you can get past the pee stuff, read the dossier. Given everything that has come to light since then, it makes a lot of sense. I don't believe everything in it; I think some of it is potentially disinformation thrown in by the Russians to try to throw us off the trail, a given whenever you're dealing with raw HUMINT.

It is also believed that Erovinkin, a former KGB/FSB general, was Steele's primary source. Erovinkin is now dead. He was found in his car the day after Christmas.

But that's not where I get my "fact-based" assessments. I follow former intelligence people, who have people that leak to them (sure, not legal, but whatever; did it with Hillary too), that claim that there is indeed SIGINT of Russians discussing Trump collusion. And that there were other "secret" meetings between Team Trump and Russian operatives in Europe. This was giving to us largely by Eastern European and other European intelligence agencies.

Also, as more information comes to light, I am beginning to entertain the theory that the Trump camp also colluded with Russia on the hacked voter registries (this is connected to the Alfa Bank server in Trump Tower and its numerous pings). This theory claims that the Kremlin hacked the voter registries (which is a fact) and that the info was then passed on to the Trump Team, particularly to target likely swing state voters. The Kremlin/Team Donny then targeted these individuals with fake news/disinformation, most often through social media - like Facebook.

I'm still on the fence about the latter theory, but I am thinking it more and more plausible by the day, the more information that comes to light.

For the record, the voter registries theory (let's just call it that) is in keeping with the Steele Dossier.

Finally, just to clarify, no, I do not believe the actual vote or vote counts were hacked. I don't know anyone else that does either. I think that was largely a straw man invented by Team Donny to make TrumPutingaters look like morons in order to distract people from the real issues.

 

[Velo Vol]

I know the Bannon thing is off-topic, but don't feel like starting another thread.

And this part is interesting (if true)

BREAKING: Bannon's role on NSC had been as a "check on Mike Flynn," per top aide, which is no longer needed with McMaster replacing Flynn.

 

[volprof]

At least Bannon has been removed from NSC, so there's that.

Oh, thank god.

Makes you wonder what happened behind the scenes though.

I read a couple months back that Donny actually was furious afterwards because he's so stupid he didn't even realize that the move was what he was signing in on that one particular EO.

I don't know; when it comes to scumbaggery, Donny knows exactly what he's doing, so I'm skeptical about that particular leak.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Thank you for asking.

Have you read the Steele Dossier?

If so, that explains a lot of my suspicions, but not all of them. If you can get past the pee stuff, read the dossier. Given everything that has come to light since then, it makes a lot of sense. I don't believe everything in it; I think some of it is potentially disinformation thrown in by the Russians to try to throw us off the trail, a given whenever you're dealing with raw HUMINT.

It is also believed that Erovinkin, a former KGB/FSB general, was Steele's primary source. Erovinkin is now dead. He was found in his car the day after Christmas.

But that's not where I get my "fact-based" assessments. I follow former intelligence people, who have people that leak to them (sure, not legal, but whatever; did it with Hillary too), that claim that there is indeed SIGINT of Russians discussing Trump collusion. And that there were other "secret" meetings between Team Trump and Russian operatives in Europe. This was giving to us largely by Eastern European and other European intelligence agencies.

Also, as more information comes to light, I am beginning to entertain the theory that the Trump camp also colluded with Russia on the hacked voter registries (this is connected to the Alfa Bank server in Trump Tower and its numerous pings). This theory claims that the Kremlin hacked the voter registries (which is a fact) and that the info was then passed on to the Trump Team, particularly to target likely swing state voters. The Kremlin/Team Donny then targeted these individuals with fake news/disinformation, most often through social media - like Facebook.

I'm still on the fence about the latter theory, but I am thinking it more and more plausible by the day, the more information that comes to light.

For the record, the voter registries theory (let's just call it that) is in keeping with the Steele Dossier.

Finally, just to clarify, no, I do not believe the actual vote or vote counts were hacked. I don't know anyone else that does either. I think that was largely a straw man invented by Team Donny to make TrumPutingaters look like morons in order to distract people from the real issues.

Can you give us the names of these retired intelligentsia that are admitting publicly to dealing in and repeating classified intel for public consumption?

Thanks.

 

[Velo Vol]

Another tweet says he can still attend meeting so I wonder how significant this really is.

 

[volprof]

Also, volinbham, it should be noted that around a week after Flynn and Donny finally received top secret security clearance, the Kremlin rolled up four intelligence operatives, all associated with this in some shape or form, on grounds of treason. None of them have been heard from since.

I don't know what to make of that, but, again, it's more of the "it's not just the one thing; it's the big picture - all of it taken together" approach that I've taken on this matter.

 

[volinbham]

Thank you for asking.

Have you read the Steele Dossier?

If so, that explains a lot of my suspicions, but not all of them. If you can get past the pee stuff, read the dossier. Given everything that has come to light since then, it makes a lot of sense. I don't believe everything in it; I think some of it is potentially disinformation thrown in by the Russians to try to throw us off the trail, a given whenever you're dealing with raw HUMINT.

It is also believed that Erovinkin, a former KGB/FSB general, was Steele's primary source. Erovinkin is now dead. He was found in his car the day after Christmas.

But that's not where I get my "fact-based" assessments. I follow former intelligence people, who have people that leak to them (sure, not legal, but whatever; did it with Hillary too), that claim that there is indeed SIGINT of Russians discussing Trump collusion. And that there were other "secret" meetings between Team Trump and Russian operatives in Europe. This was giving to us largely by Eastern European and other European intelligence agencies.

Also, as more information comes to light, I am beginning to entertain the theory that the Trump camp also colluded with Russia on the hacked voter registries (this is connected to the Alfa Bank server in Trump Tower and its numerous pings). This theory claims that the Kremlin hacked the voter registries (which is a fact) and that the info was then passed on to the Trump Team, particularly to target likely swing state voters. The Kremlin/Team Donny then targeted these individuals with fake news/disinformation, most often through social media - like Facebook.

I'm still on the fence about the latter theory, but I am thinking it more and more plausible by the day, the more information that comes to light.

For the record, the voter registries theory (let's just call it that) is in keeping with the Steele Dossier.

Finally, just to clarify, no, I do not believe the actual vote or vote counts were hacked. I don't know anyone else that does either. I think that was largely a straw man invented by Team Donny to make TrumPutingaters look like morons in order to distract people from the real issues.

:hi:

So the latter theory is actual collusion. That's what I'm asking for.

The stuff before that doesn't present specific collusion activities. I guess what I'm asking is specific forms of cooperation occurred - did Team Trump seek to have certain information spread? Or something else. We have a lot of - here's why it looks like they talked to each other. I'm asking what was the suspected form of cooperation.

 

[volprof]

Can you give us the names of these retired intelligentsia that are admitting publicly to dealing in and repeating classified intel for public consumption?

Thanks.

Sure. One is John Schindler of the XXCommittee.

Contact the FBI.

 

[volinbham]

Also, volinbham, it should be noted that around a week after Flynn and Donny finally received top secret security clearance, the Kremlin rolled up four intelligence operatives, all associated with this in some shape or form, on grounds of treason. None of them have been heard from since.

I don't know what to make of that, but, again, it's more of the "it's not just the one thing; it's the big picture - all of it taken together" approach that I've taken on this matter.

Again I see what you consider evidence that "something" happened. I'm asking what that "something" was. What is being alleged other than it looks like there was contact between Russia and Team Trump.

 

[volinbham]

"Help us out. You really want Trump to win. I will have input into what he does.

Pay me."




Not too hard to figure it out.

So basically Bill and the Clinton Foundation?

 

[volinbham]

Niki Haley said bad things about Russia today - guess she didn't get the memo.

 

[Velo Vol]

Niki Haley said bad things about Russia today - guess she didn't get the memo.

Bad hombre.

 

[lawgator1]

Niki Haley said bad things about Russia today - guess she didn't get the memo.

It's called "cover."

Too little. Too late.