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luthervol said:
To a small degree, pops.....

and the rest is just part of the implanted narrative.
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Whenever you can admit:

A. The DNC screwed the pooch in this election by picking the absolute worst candidate they could (and yes, the GOP did as well)

B. Screwed themselves by not allowing things to progress naturally in the primaries and

C. Screwed themselves by not having a message that resonated with the average voter

Things will go a lot easier for you.

Clinton couldn't win in 2008 against a rookie Senator from Illinois. Couldn't win without cheating against an over the hill Senator from Vermont in 2016. What ever gave them the idea it was her's to "lose" in the first place?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Whenever you can admit:

A. The DNC screwed the pooch in this election by picking the absolute worst candidate they could (and yes, the GOP did as well)

B. Screwed themselves by not allowing things to progress naturally in the primaries and

C. Screwed themselves by not having a message that resonated with the average voter

Things will go a lot easier for you.

Clinton couldn't win in 2008 against a rookie Senator from Illinois. Couldn't win without cheating against an over the hill Senator from Vermont in 2016. What ever gave them the idea it was her's to "lose" in the first place?
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Trump
 
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hog88 said:
Trump
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Exactly. I hated the Hillary nomination because I knew there were so many who vilified her. When Trump shockingly won the nomination, I (and everyone I know including republicans) felt the election had just been handed to Hillary on a silver platter.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Whenever you can admit:

A. The DNC screwed the pooch in this election by picking the absolute worst candidate they could (and yes, the GOP did as well)

B. Screwed themselves by not allowing things to progress naturally in the primaries and

C. Screwed themselves by not having a message that resonated with the average voter

Things will go a lot easier for you.

Clinton couldn't win in 2008 against a rookie Senator from Illinois. Couldn't win without cheating against an over the hill Senator from Vermont in 2016. What ever gave them the idea it was her's to "lose" in the first place?
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This is correct.

There was a woman on one of the shows the other day, worked the campaign, and said the problem began at her announcement speech. Instead of having it be her and one or two close advisers, multiple groups of people were given input. So factions developed about whose agenda was more important.

The result was lack of a singular theme, a goal, a principle. While the issues she raised might have been popular amongst issue-driven voters, it fell flat and scattered to those voting for a personality.
 
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hog88 said:
Trump
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I don't disagree. However, I can admit the thought of Hillary being President with her smug attitude towards the whole thing was a far more powerful motivator than any (alleged) Russia link to the election. It certainly wasn't Trump's "charm" that led him to the WH. It was the fact the media tried to shove her down the throats of normal Americans and she had nothing to offer them except "I'm a Clinton."

It's no big secret more people voted against her rather than voted for him.
 
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luthervol said:
Exactly. I hated the Hillary nomination because I knew there were so many who vilified her. When Trump shockingly won the nomination, I (and everyone I know including republicans) felt the election had just been handed to Hillary on a silver platter.
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I didn't think that the election was handed to her with Trump as the opponent. I was one of just a couple on here who predicted the electoral college win for Trump before the election. If I could find my prediction, I would link to it. I will admit to thinking that he wouldn't sweep Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I didn't think that the election was handed to her with Trump as the opponent. I was one of just a couple on here who predicted the electoral college win for Trump before the election. If I could find my prediction, I would link to it. The only thing is that I didn't think he would win both Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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I trust that you made the prediction which means you had a much more realistic view of the American voter than most.
 
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luthervol said:
I trust that you made the prediction which means you had a much more realistic view of the American voter than most.
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I also posted on some thread that after the Dem convention that Hillary did not wear well on people, and that her popularity would "drop like a rock" as the election got closer.
 
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volinbham said:
The new book out about the campaign points out pretty clearly how her and her strategy were flawed.
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There is no doubt that she and her strategy had flaws. There is also no doubt that there were millions of people that said "anyone but Hillary" before her campaign even officially began.
 
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luthervol said:
There is no doubt that she and her strategy had flaws. There is also no doubt that there were millions of people that said "anyone but Hillary" before her campaign even officially began.
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Which you should take as an indictment of your party's leadership. They should have understood this from the beginning. Jim Webb would have beaten any of the Rs, he actually should have ran as an R.
 
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luthervol said:
There is no doubt that she and her strategy had flaws. There is also no doubt that there were millions of people that said "anyone but Hillary" before her campaign even officially began.
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That's part of running for office in this country. There were Never Trump people. There were never Bush people. There were never Obama people. There were never Romney people.

I don't know why you seem to present this as evidence of victimization of Hillary. Hillary was her own worst enemy.

Luther, she collided with the DNC to sink Bernie. Why make excuses for her? She had to cheat her debate performance by getting questions in advance. Hillary is not a victim of the American voter.
 
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DC_Vol said:
That's part of running for office in this country. There were Never Trump people. There were never Bush people. There were never Obama people. There were never Romney people.

I don't know why you seem to present this as evidence of victimization of Hillary. Hillary was her own worst enemy.

Luther, she collided with the DNC to sink Bernie. Why make excuses for her? She had to cheat her debate performance by getting questions in advance. Hillary is not a victim of the American voter.
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This goes back to the 1990's. Before Bernie, before presidential runs. She was targeted early and often. Someone in some right wing think tank pegged her early on as a future problem and the rest is history.
 
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luthervol said:
This goes back to the 1990's. Before Bernie, before presidential runs. She was targeted early and often. Someone in some right wing think tank pegged her early on as a future problem and the rest is history.
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You think her dirty tricks started when she decided to run for election? Or would you say she has a character problem?
 
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luthervol said:
This goes back to the 1990's. Before Bernie, before presidential runs. She was targeted early and often. Someone in some right wing think tank pegged her early on as a future problem and the rest is history.
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Does that tin foil hat ever itch?
 
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You guys are pretty funny. I think I may just go and try and convince some ISIS members that the US is actually a pretty good place and that they are just victims of years of propaganda. Probably be received with the same level of introspection. I'm not delusional enough to think that a few posts can unravel years of indoctrination. I do find you at least as amusing as you find me - probably more so.
 
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luthervol said:
You guys are pretty funny. I think I may just go and try and convince some ISIS members that the US is actually a pretty good place and that they are just victims of years of propaganda. Probably be received with the same level of introspection. I'm not delusional enough to think that a few posts can unravel years of indoctrination. I do find you at least as amusing as you find me - probably more so.
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So I'm a victim of indoctrination because I don't agree with your assessment of Hillary?
 
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