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Mick said:
How would you have felt if the waiver was granted? Would you think something was up?
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The only reason I could see it granted for any good reason was because the agreement/negotiations took place in 2011.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The only reason I could see ti granted for any good reason was because the agreement/negotiations took place in 2011.
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I like your posts so I will say that it would have been messed up if they had and would have been hard to try to rationalize such a waiver to the public.
 
#3,156
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Mick said:
I like your posts so I will say that it would have been messed up if they had and would have been hard to try to rationalize such a waiver to the public.
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90% of the public wouldn't have cared.

The Obama administration granted Exxon some waivers after the sanctions were imposed so there were some precedence for them to expect some relief.
 
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Mick said:
I like your posts so I will say that it would have been messed up if they had and would have been hard to try to rationalize such a waiver to the public.
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That was the only rationalization they could have made IMO. However, it was overtaken by world events so Exxon can't be that pissed about it. It's also interesting they were already in the process of some of the drilling, however, were allowed to finish them up (presumably under Obama as the article implies).
 
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Grand Vol said:
That was the only rationalization they could have made IMO. However, it was overtaken by world events so Exxon can't be that pissed about it. It's also interesting they were already in the process of some of the drilling, however, were allowed to finish them up (presumably under Obama as the article implies).
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I will admit I did not read the article but trusted your information. After I read it this is another important takeaway:
Tillerson has recused himself from all government matters involving Exxon
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Mick said:
I will admit I did not read the article but trusted your information. After I read it this is another important takeaway:
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Glad I haven't made your "fake news" listing.

You are correct it would have seemed shady to have sent the exceptions on through, but I think there honestly would have been decent enough rationale to have pushed it had it been sold right. Of course, certain segments would have screamed about it, but that is to be expected any time Trump does something they don't like.

I'm kind of in the "meh" column about it. Don't care either way. One could make the argument that Obama canned it because of his environmental stance and the sanctions over the Crimea were a good enough reason to put the brakes on. One could also make the argument had Trump approved it, it was because of Tillerson's former involvement in Exxon. But the Trump Admin (it actually came from the Treasury Department) took a hard line and pressed forward with the continuance of the sanctions.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Glad I haven't made your "fake news" listing.

You are correct it would have seemed shady to have sent the exceptions on through, but I think there honestly would have been decent enough rationale to have pushed it had it been sold right. Of course, certain segments would have screamed about it, but that is to be expected any time Trump does something they don't like.

I'm kind of in the "meh" column about it. Don't care either way. One could make the argument that Obama canned it because of his environmental stance and the sanctions over the Crimea were a good enough reason to put the brakes on. One could also make the argument had Trump approved it, it was because of Tillerson's former involvement in Exxon. But the Trump Admin (it actually came from the Treasury Department) took a hard line and pressed forward with the continuance of the sanctions.
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I don't think they could have sold it period. Bombing the Syrian Hospital, backing Assad, military bombers off our coast, etc.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/russia-trump-campaign-advisers-infiltrate/

"Suggestions of collusion."

I just happened to wake up to the panel of Kayyem, Baer, and Hall - all actual experts, unlike VolNation's fake kind - on Erin Burnett. When Hall, former Russian Operations at the CIA, said that there's just far too much smoke in all of this for there to be no fire at all, the other two panelists immediately nodded their heads in agreement.

For the record, Kayyem called the Flynn immunity story about a week before it broke in the press.

At this point, you have to be a raging idiot to think none of this - nothing at all regarding the Donny camp and the Kremlin - seems suspicious. You're also a Chekist Kremlin lover if you think there should be no FBI investigation at all, and history will judge you harshly.
 
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No matter how hard our resident Kremlinists want it to just stop that Donny-Russia faucet will simply not stop leaking.

Eventually, it will be gushing, and no plumber is coming to fix it.
 
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volprof said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/russia-trump-campaign-advisers-infiltrate/

"Suggestions of collusion."

I just happened to wake up to the panel of Kayyem, Baer, and Hall - all actual experts, unlike VolNation's fake kind - on Erin Burnett. When Hall, former Russian Operations at the CIA, said that there's just far too much smoke in all of this for there to be no fire at all, the other two panelists immediately nodded their heads in agreement.

For the record, Kayyem called the Flynn immunity story about a week before it broke in the press.

At this point, you have to be a raging idiot to think none of this - nothing at all regarding the Donny camp and the Kremlin - seems suspicious. You're also a Chekist Kremlin lover if you think there should be no FBI investigation at all, and history will judge you harshly.
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Tried is the key word there professor. How about a smidgen of honesty from you?
 
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volprof said:
No matter how hard our resident Kremlinists want it to just stop that Donny-Russia faucet will simply not stop leaking.

Eventually, it will be gushing, and no plumber is coming to fix it.
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Is there new news regarding Trumpovich?
 
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Carter Page is either the dumbest man alive, or he knows things we simply cannot grasp in our limited, flawed human acumen.
 
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volprof said:
Carter Page is either the dumbest man alive, or he knows things we simply cannot grasp in our limited, flawed human acumen.
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He's probably a genius. He recognized that Putin is the worlds most powerful man, evidenced by his ability to sway the course of democracies with Pepe memes and John Podesta emails. Seeing that Russia will eventually control the entire planet - if it doesn't already - it was best to ally himself with the puppet master.
 
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golfballs said:
He's probably a genius. He recognized that Putin is the worlds most powerful man, evidenced by his ability to sway the course of democracies with Pepe memes and John Podesta emails. Seeing that Russia will eventually control the entire planet - if it doesn't already - it was best to ally himself with the puppet master.
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Still waiting on that impending news that was going to send Obama to prison.

Meanwhile, that dictator you voted for is robbing us blind.

Thanks, low-information voter.
 
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volprof said:
Still waiting on that impending news that was going to send Obama to prison.

Meanwhile, that dictator you voted for is robbing us blind.

Thanks, low-information voter.
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Didn't you predict some indictments to come down this week? Something you got from your "sources".

And if he was a dictator don't you think he'd have gotten something done by now? It's hard for me to keep up.
 
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volprof said:
Still waiting on that impending news that was going to send Obama to prison.

Meanwhile, that dictator you voted for is robbing us blind.

Thanks, low-information voter.
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I really hate to have to explain, but since this is literally the only response you can muster to any post... my comments on Obama going to jail were tongue-in-cheek. I don't actually believe it will happen. As I've said before in another thread, even if he did order a wiretap of trump, there's almost no way to prove it. His admin can be incompetent but shielding the president from that sort of thing is paramount. They aren't that dumb
 
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