TrumPutinGate

[volprof]

You all stay hung up on those emails that were allegedly hacked (again the FBI hasnt seen the servers) but there wasn't anything in those emails that furthered her being shown as a terrible candidate.

So you think all of the public discussion of Clinton's and Podesta's and the DNC's hacked emails (including the Bernie matter), as well as Comey's 11th hour announcement (which I am under the impression was the cold work of a corrupt NY Field office, in the bag with Trump and his Russian mob bodies), had absolutely no effect on any voters?

You think that period of time between Comey's announcement in later October, the noted "October Surprise," in which 20-something million early voters cast their ballots, you think that had no effect whatsoever on the election outcome?

I'm not going to argue with you that Clinton was a good candidate or that she conducted a good campaign; she was neither a good candidate nor a conductor of a good campaign.

But I'm very hard-pressed to see how none of the above could have possibly affected voting outcomes, up to and including the actual Electoral victory.

 

[volfanjustin]

So you think all of the public discussion of Clinton's and Podesta's and the DNC's hacked emails (including the Bernie matter), as well as Comey's 11th hour announcement (which I am under the impression was the cold work of a corrupt NY Field office, in the bag with Trump and his Russian mob bodies), had absolutely no effect on any voters?

You think that period of time between Comey's announcement in later October, the noted "October Surprise," in which 20-something million early voters cast their ballots, you think that had no effect whatsoever on the election outcome?

I'm not going to argue with you that Clinton was a good candidate or that she conducted a good campaign; she was neither a good candidate nor a conductor of a good campaign.

But I'm very hard-pressed to see how none of the above could have possibly affected voting outcomes, up to and including the actual Electoral victory.

Little to no effect, either you hated her or hated Trump emails showing she cheated surprised no one.

Millions had voted before he announced the investigation was back open

Maybe her not going to Wisconsin at all had an effect

 

[Orange_Crush]

Orange, I'm curious. You're one of the very few rational posters here that seems to believe it unlikely Donny colluded. I understand your skepticism, and I also get the sense that you are relatively open-minded here, rather than just merely writing this all off as fodder for jokes - like some.

At what point would you change your mind though? What would it take?

Would it take an individual, like Flynn, being indicted?

Would it take the leaking of a tape (which I am under the impression multiple exists) of collusion between Team Donny and the Russians?

Would it take Comey actually recommending charges to the DOJ?

Or would none of that still suffice? Would it take actual conviction in a court of law of Donny himself?

I'm just curious where exactly your "Oh, it was treason"-o-meter lies.

I'm not sure, Prof. I guess it'll be kind of like the difference between art and porn. Hard to quantify, but you know it when you see it.

It's a hard thing for me because I inherently distrust the entire apparatus of our gov't. I believe our gov't to be an in-bred, incestuous, self-serving money and power hoarding establishment. I hope that Trump is an outsider that is there to make genuine changes in favor of the USA and its citizens. But I can't be sure.

Some things he does make me believe that. Others, like war-mongering, make me think he's just a part of the same old establishment.

It's a catch-22. I don't think I can trust the gov't that's got its sights set on trump, and I'm not sure I can trust Trump.

So... I ride it out and try to parse what I believe to be the truth through all the subterfuge.

 

[volprof]

Little to no effect, either you hated her or hated Trump emails showing she cheated surprised no one.

Millions had voted before he announced the investigation was back open

Maybe her not going to Wisconsin at all had an effect

Do you believe any undecided voters were affected by *****gate?

I'm not asking about you and your ilk; I know you weren't affected by it. In fact, you probably endorsed it.

I'm asking about common sense undecided voters with a shred of moral fiber.

Because, if you think that may have affected those folks, then it is very reasonable to assume all of the email scandal, which went beyond merely Hillary, had an affect upon her outcome too. I would even add the outcomes to numerous campaigns around the country, in which Democrats lost to Republicans.

 

[volprof]

I'm not sure, Prof. I guess it'll be kind of like the difference between art and porn. Hard to quantify, but you know it when you see it.

It's a hard thing for me because I inherently distrust the entire apparatus of our gov't. I believe our gov't to be an in-bred, incestuous, self-serving money and power hoarding establishment. I hope that Trump is an outsider that is there to make genuine changes in favor of the USA and its citizens. But I can't be sure.

Some things he does make me believe that. Others, like war-mongering, make me think he's just a part of the same old establishment.

It's a catch-22. I don't think I can trust the gov't that's got its sights set on trump, and I'm not sure I can trust Trump.

So... I ride it out and try to parse what I believe to be the truth through all the subterfuge.

Fair enough, but for the life of me I can't understand trusting a serial money launderer, who is on tape supporting sexual assault.

I would think just Mar-a-Lago alone would be enough to convince many of you thus far that he was nothing but a con, and is in fact the biggest bankster globalist of them all. Then again, I never had a shred of faith in anything the man said to begin with.

Anyhow, with some luck, you'll ultimately parse it all out. If not, then you and I are in an awful lot of trouble, as is the nation, because you will be right: our government and our watchdogs will have failed us.

 

[volfanjustin]

Do you believe any undecided voters were affected by *****gate?

I'm not asking about you and your ilk; I know you weren't affected by it. In fact, you probably endorsed it.

I'm asking about common sense undecided voters with a shred of moral fiber.

Because, if you think that may have affected those folks, then it is very reasonable to assume all of the email scandal, which went beyond merely Hillary, had an affect upon her outcome too. I would even add the outcomes to numerous campaigns around the country, in which Democrats lost to Republicans.

You always want to be an arrogant punk ass thats another reason no one takes you serious.

I don't believe it had much of an affect either because first most people assume men talk like that when among ourselves. The Presidents supporters voted for him because they despised Hillary and they were tired of politics as usual.

 

[volprof]

You always want to be an arrogant punk ass thats another reason no one takes you serious.

I don't believe it had much of an affect either because first most people assume men talk like that when among ourselves. The Presidents supporters voted for him because they despised Hillary and they were tired of politics as usual.

What do you mean "arrogant punk ass"?

I didn't vote for a man on tape confessing to sexual assault. You did.

Don't take out your own moral failings on me.

 

[volfanjustin]

What do you mean "arrogant punk ass"?

I didn't vote for a man on tape confessing to sexual assault. You did.

Don't take out your own moral failings on me.

You voted for a woman who's main job in the 90s was to destroy the women who accused her husband of rape. Good job Mr Morality

 

[1972 Grad]

Another big reason that Hillary lost is the same reason that Jeb lost. People are tired of the Bushes and the Clintons. TIRED!

 

[volprof]

You voted for a woman who's main job in the 90s was to destroy the women who accused her husband of rape. Good job Mr Morality

And my only other legitimate option was the guy who is most likely a rapist, just like Hillary's husband.

I took the lesser of two evils, that's for sure.

 

[luthervol]

The misleading, twisted, fake, and/or false news that people were bombarded with had an impact. How much can never be determined. I think enough to sway the election; you think not. We can debate it for the next ten years and never sway each other but we can all agree with the mounting evidence that Russia had a hand in the disinformation campaign. But even if they didn't, many votes were cast having been effected by disinformation.

 

[hog88]

The misleading, twisted, fake, and/or false news that people were bombarded with had an impact. How much can never be determined. I think enough to sway the election; you think not. When can debate it for the next ten years and never sway each other but we can all agree with the mounting evidence that Russia had a hand in the disinformation campaign. But even if they didn't, many votes were cast having been effected by disinformation.

It's only going to get worse, take the group VP works for. Soros and company are putting tons of money into disinformation campaigns.

 

[Vol8188]

Now, let's throw an indictment or two into the ring and get this ball rolling.

Time to put an end to the Kremlin Captivity of the American presidency.

Ironically he voted for the only candidate we know for a fact received money directly from a foreign government.

But this is totally not a politically motivated witch hunt.

Anyway, I've seen you throw the word treason around with Trump a few times. Can you explain?

 

[volprof]

The misleading, twisted, fake, and/or false news that people were bombarded with had an impact. How much can never be determined. I think enough to sway the election; you think not. We can debate it for the next ten years and never sway each other but we can all agree with the mounting evidence that Russia had a hand in the disinformation campaign. But even if they didn't, many votes were cast having been effected by disinformation.

No evidently we cannot all agree on Russia having a hand in any of this. In fact, I would say at least half of this forum's members disagree with this. Instead, they seem to think that Wikileaks is some sort of organic liberal watchdog site that's biggest issue was with Hillary and the DNC, while releasing absolutely nothing about Donny/RNC, or ever even publicly commenting on the latter for that matter. And that, till this day, still has not done so with respect to Trumpov, who we all know is a pure as the newly fallen snow.

 

[volprof]

Ironically he voted for the only candidate we know for a fact received money directly from a foreign government.

But this is totally not a politically motivated witch hunt.

Anyway, I've seen you throw the word treason around with Trump a few times. Can you explain?

What do you mean Hillary was the only one on record receiving foreign government money?

My god, your little dictator - who we know you totally did not vote for and completely do not support - received a donation from Citgo. Citgo. Venezuela's state-run gas company that functions as a shell company for Rosneft.

Your post makes no sense. Go back to Libertarian U and get some more education first before putting on the big boy pants.

 

[Vol8188]

What do you mean Hillary was the only one on record receiving foreign government money?

My god, your little dictator - who we know you totally did not vote for and completely do not support - received a donation from Citgo. Citgo. Venezuela's state-run gas company that functions as a shell company for Rosneft.

Your post makes no sense. Go back to Libertarian U and get some more education first before putting on the big boy pants.

Donations from companies are legal and have been accepted by many candidates. Donations from Saudi Princes on the other hand.....

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Just checking back looking for evidence that was said to be forthcoming, still no?? Ok.

 

[volprof]

Donations from companies are legal and have been accepted by many candidates. Donations from Saudi Princes on the other hand.....

Guess you've never heard of a "shell company," and that Donny's condos have gone for 250 millions-worth to them since his election.

Yes, he's a pure as Shirley Temple.

 

[davethevol]

Ironically he voted for the only candidate we know for a fact received money directly from a foreign government.

But this is totally not a politically motivated witch hunt.

Anyway, I've seen you throw the word treason around with Trump a few times. Can you explain?

We could overlook the money aspect and try a different angle: which candidate had a campaign advisor that knowingly associates with a Satanic witch?

 

[volprof]

Just checking back looking for evidence that was said to be forthcoming, still no?? Ok.

27 months.

Let's see here, we're about 9 or 10 in thus far. Still 17-18 to go, although I highly doubt it.

 

[AirVol]

Just checking back looking for evidence that was said to be forthcoming, still no?? Ok.

Nope, none. VP keeps bumping his own thread for some reason.

 

[volprof]

Nope, none. VP keeps bumping his own thread for some reason.

Probably because, with each passing day, more and more information keeps coming to light that would appear to substantiate my claims.

You will keep posting here too though, because you will have no choice. So don't criticize me for running up the post count on your traitor's treason thread.

 

[volprof]

Again, what did the president know, and when did he know it?

https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/856905324418224129

Yep, this is all going to end just honky dory.

I'll tell you what, VolNation Kremlin interference squad. I'll gladly be proven wrong about the collusion aspect if the coverup of having Russian agents in his WH ultimately gets him kicked out on his sorry can.

I don't think I'll have to make that sacrifice in the end, but, just for kicks and giggles.

 

[hog88]

Again, what did the president know, and when did he know it?

https://twitter.com/RWPUSA/status/856905324418224129

Yep, this is all going to end just honky dory.

I'll tell you what, VolNation Kremlin interference squad. I'll gladly be proven wrong about the collusion aspect if the coverup of having Russian agents in his WH ultimately gets him kicked out on his sorry can.

I don't think I'll have to make that sacrifice in the end, but, just for kicks and giggles.

They lose all credibility when they mention treason.

 

[midnight orange]

The misleading, twisted, fake, and/or false news that people were bombarded with had an impact. How much can never be determined. I think enough to sway the election; you think not. We can debate it for the next ten years and never sway each other but we can all agree with the mounting evidence that Russia had a hand in the disinformation campaign. But even if they didn't, many votes were cast having been effected by disinformation.

Sounds like we need a federal agency that approves all "authorized" news with the power to arrest those who report unauthorized or "fake" news.