TrumPutinGate

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volprof said:
I bet if you close your eyes, squinch up your face, rub both your ears, tap you magical orange slippers together three times, and say that I'm crazy you'll make all of this go away.
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It will go away soon enough on it's on
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not getting in the middle of the back and forth going on in here right now... but I do want to point out how ridiculous it is for Donald Trump to blame the Obama administration for the hiring of Michael Flynn as his National Security Adviser. Although it's true that Flynn was given his national security clearance under the Obama administration, it is also true (and considerably more important) that Michael Flynn was fired as the leader of the Defense Intelligence Agency by Obama in 2014. Michael Flynn is in hot water now for actions he undertook well after he had already left government. Those actions included taking money to lobby for the Turkish government and taking money from Russia to speak at an event.

The bottom line is that the Obama administration did not renew Flynn's security clearance in 2016 and THEN Trump made Flynn a top aide on his campaign and THEN made Flynn his National Security Adviser. This is not only a prime example of Trump's inability to accept blame for a mistake... but also trying to deflect blame onto Obama even when such blame can easily be refuted. To top it all off, it now appears that Obama even warned Trump about hiring Flynn immediately after the election... Yet, we still got this tweet:

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

General Flynn was given the highest security clearance by the Obama administration - bu the Fake News seldom likes talking about that.

7:57 AM - 8 May 2017
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Basically, this is another example that Trump just can't admit to a mistake. Michael Flynn should not have been hired as National Security Adviser and that is not something that can be blamed on Obama.
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I agree with basically everything you say, except it was not a mistake made by Donny.

Donny knew full well what he and Flynn were doing. Flynn's unregistered foreign agency was a feature that attracted Donny, not a fact that was overlooked.

It was welcomed and encouraged.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The investigation into Flynn is not going away any time soon. It's not a manufactured scandal or something that can be blamed on Obama. Trump should not have hired him as National Security Adviser.
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Flynn is just the beginning. Kushner has done the same things and is still in office.

There are at least half a dozen other individuals whose "time in the barrel" is coming, very publicly, and none are going to reflect well upon Donny.

And then there's the intercepts that we and a dozen other allied foreign intelligence services have of Team Donny committing treason, which will eventually be made public.

Yeah, this isn't going away. The only thing that is going away is Donny and his merry band of traitors.
 
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volprof said:
I'm hearing that you're going to start seeing more stuff like this potentially soon:

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/860846627153752065

That's actually from a prior election, but people are saying now that 2016 did indeed involve actual vote hacking.

I'm still skeptical myself, but, people are saying....

If any of it ends up proving true, the GOP is done as a party. And by "done," I mean freaking over. Finis.
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I like the consistent doubling down on the TrumPutin connection.

Before, the narrative went something like this: "no, of course we don't mean the Russians actually hacked into voting machines. We meant that they attempted to influence the election." Said in a way to make the person asking sound ignorant, of course.

Now they are going down the vote hacking path. Smells like desperation.

VP, what else are you hearing from the bums who have all day to tweet about Trump? Be sure to keep us posted.

Thanks in advance!
 
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volprof said:
And for the record for our resident treason apologists, the American MSM is currently where some others and myself (who, yes, follow the right sources on Twitter) where at about three to four months ago.

So, just imagine what's coming down the pike.

Cheers.
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The MSM were all over this for about two solid weeks.

Then one unimportant thing happened: they couldn't find any solid evidence.

More importantly, they realized they had accidentally outed Obama as a violator of civil rights.

Once it was clear they were painting Obama into a corner, they got real quiet.
 
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I'm hearing from my sources that Rachel Maddow (who's done some really fine reporting lately) has breaking news that she is going to share tonight.

Stay tuned.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I'm hearing from my sources that Rachel Maddow (who's done some really fine reporting lately) has breaking news that she is going to share tonight.

Stay tuned.
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Get ready for some Rachel bashing. The right hates her because she's usually very thorough and spot on in her reporting.
 
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This blaming Obama for it, when most of it happened after Obama had fired him, and despite the fact that Obama warned Trump not to hire him, is just about the lamest thing to come out of the Trump people (and his defenders here) so far.

And that is saying a lot.

The real issue is going to be whether there is either direct evidence of Flynn having been empowered by Trump to make deals with the Russians during the election or the transition, or if Flynn is called in and testifies that he was doing so and that Trump knew it.

Either of those would force Trump out of office.
 
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MT LeConte said:
It wasn't known that Flynn was scheming with the Russians when Obama hired him.
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....and Flynn was fired as the leader of the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014... and his security clearance was taken away last year. Trump knew all of this and Flynn was vetted for the role of National Security Adviser by the Trump team. Trump's apologists (Fox News) won't be able to get around this. Trump's attempts to pass the blame to Obama for hiring Flynn as National Security Adviser are disingenuous at best. That tweet at 7:57 this morning was ridiculous.
 
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MT LeConte said:
Get ready for some Rachel bashing. The right hates her because she's usually very thorough and spot on in her reporting.
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What are you talking about MT?

I haven't watched her since November. And I remember really liking what I saw.

I bet you were watching that night. As a reminder, this is the day before you went on hiatus.
 
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lawgator1 said:
This blaming Obama for it, when most of it happened after Obama had fired him, and despite the fact that Obama warned Trump not to hire him, is just about the lamest thing to come out of the Trump people (and his defenders here) so far.

And that is saying a lot.

The real issue is going to be whether there is either direct evidence of Flynn having been empowered by Trump to make deals with the Russians during the election or the transition, or if Flynn is called in and testifies that he was doing so and that Trump knew it.

Either of those would force Trump out of office.
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A person who would defend Trump for this - would defend Trump for anything. There are such people though.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
A person who would defend Trump for this - would defend Trump for anything. There are such people though.
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The other part of this is the fact that Obama never threw Trump under the bus by going public or making some silly "tweet" stating that he had warned Trump. Trump has constantly maligned Obama since taking office and Obama has not responded. Can you imagine if these roles were reversed. That tells you a lot about what you need to know regarding the differences between these two and the character of each.
 
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DC_Vol said:
The MSM were all over this for about two solid weeks.

Then one unimportant thing happened: they couldn't find any solid evidence.

More importantly, they realized they had accidentally outed Obama as a violator of civil rights.

Once it was clear they were painting Obama into a corner, they got real quiet.
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The treason is going to your brain.

You're literally going insane.
 
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luthervol said:
The other part of this is the fact that Obama never threw Trump under the bus by going public or making some silly "tweet" stating that he had warned Trump. Trump has constantly maligned Obama since taking office and Obama has not responded. Can you imagine if these roles were reversed. That tells you a lot about what you need to know regarding the differences between these two and the character of each.
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It still just gobsmacks me that people, by which I mean other humans who breath air, eat, and crap just like me, can look at Donny and say to themselves, "Yeah, that's an individual who couldn't possibly sell his country down the river."
 
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