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Grand Vol said:
Oh, way huge difference in internal DNC emails outlining their pure corruption during the last election.

And...

Top Secret intelligence reports given to the press for...whatever reason. And somehow over the past year of this going on you still have yet to comprehend the difference in the two.
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He's not a rocket scientist
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, way huge difference in internal DNC emails outlining their pure corruption during the last election.

And...

Top Secret intelligence reports given to the press for...whatever reason. And somehow over the past year of this going on you still have yet to comprehend the difference in the two.
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Actually, I recall many posting here that we should ignore the mechanism of their disclosure and focus on the content. Now you seem to want to draw a distinction on exactly those lines to say that was okay, this is wrong.

FWIW, I agree that if she did this she needs to be prosecuted.

But I do see some hypocrisy from the right here, wanting desperately to make the story about the leak, and let's ignore the content.

Both are newsworthy. Both deserve attention. Just as she should be prosecuted, we should be asking ourselves, yet again, just WTF is going on here and at what point do we seriously question Trump about all of this secrecy, lying, and attempts to stop the inquiries. At some point, the smoke suggests a fire.

I'd point out that the GOPers in Congress who've seen the reports and have a sense of what's in them are all MIA. They don't want to be tied to Trump.

You might ask yourself why.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Actually, I recall many posting here that we should ignore the mechanism of their disclosure and focus on the content. Now you seem to want to draw a distinction on exactly those lines to say that was okay, this is wrong.

FWIW, I agree that if she did this she needs to be prosecuted.

But I do see some hypocrisy from the right here, wanting desperately to make the story about the leak, and let's ignore the content.

Both are newsworthy. Both deserve attention. Just as she should be prosecuted, we should be asking ourselves, yet again, just WTF is going on here and at what point do we seriously question Trump about all of this secrecy, lying, and attempts to stop the inquiries. At some point, the smoke suggests a fire.

I'd point out that the GOPers in Congress who've seen the reports and have a sense of what's in them are all MIA. They don't want to be tied to Trump.

You might ask yourself why.
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Just what has Trump done to stop the inquiries?
 
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lawgator1 said:
That is what originally worried me. Not that they were changing votes, although I guess they could. But more that they were able to misreport the totals from small local agencies to state tabulators.
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It doesn't suggest that.

It looks like an attempt to hack the computers of election officials. Even such a hack wouldn't result in misreporting or any permanent misreporting.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Actually, I recall many posting here that we should ignore the mechanism of their disclosure and focus on the content. Now you seem to want to draw a distinction on exactly those lines to say that was okay, this is wrong.

FWIW, I agree that if she did this she needs to be prosecuted.

But I do see some hypocrisy from the right here, wanting desperately to make the story about the leak, and let's ignore the content.

Both are newsworthy. Both deserve attention. Just as she should be prosecuted, we should be asking ourselves, yet again, just WTF is going on here and at what point do we seriously question Trump about all of this secrecy, lying, and attempts to stop the inquiries. At some point, the smoke suggests a fire.

I'd point out that the GOPers in Congress who've seen the reports and have a sense of what's in them are all MIA. They don't want to be tied to Trump.

You might ask yourself why.
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Did any intelligence officials leak the DNC emails?

There is considerably more information assembled in the public sphere about Clinton Foundation and State Dept shenanigans and Dems ignore it all so spare me the hypocrisy BS.

Trump may be guilty as hell but that doesn't justify intelligence leaking. If both occurred both are wrong. One has occurred for sure; the other is still speculation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd point out that the GOPers in Congress who've seen the reports and have a sense of what's in them are all MIA. They don't want to be tied to Trump.

You might ask yourself why.
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Democrats and Republicans are both separate sides of the same coin. They both work for the Corporatocracy, and they both serve the same purpose--to get us arguing about social policies so that we ignore the fact that we are ruled by Corporatocracy.

As such, any time they agree with each other, I'm suspicious. And anyone they get together to attack and try to destroy, I'll ask deeper "why" questions than, "Well, it looks like our incestuous, self-serving, power-mongering government doesn't like them, so they must be guilty of something."

I don't hold judgment on Trump because I like him. I withhold judgment because his accusers have already proven they're dirty as far as I'm concerned.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It's funny.

When the leaks hurt Clinton you guys celebrated them. Trump yelled about them with delight and riled up his crowds touting them.

He even called for more.

Now? Not so much.
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and now you are for leaks?

i am for these leaks if they actually prove something, if the government was sitting on something we should know about. but this was an active investigation, knowing a small piece just muddies the water. this doesn't actually prove anything and frankly I don't know if this sliver was something the general population needed/had a right to know about.
 
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Why isn't this information in the public domain? People have a right to know about potential shenanigans in the election. Our government is a control-freak-ocracy at this point.
 
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jvol1 said:
Why isn't this information in the public domain? People have a right to know about potential shenanigans in the election. Our government is a control-freak-ocracy at this point.
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Why not publish all our sources and methods of intelligence gathering?
 
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jvol1 said:
Why isn't this information in the public domain? People have a right to know about potential shenanigans in the election. Our government is a control-freak-ocracy at this point.
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on going investigation. no hard evidence that anything actually happened. as has been pointed out pfishing is not the same as hacking, and nothing right now says the machines or system itself was actually targetted. sure the snippets might say that but if you read the articles they contradict themselves.
 
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LouderVol said:
and now you are for leaks?

i am for these leaks if they actually prove something, if the government was sitting on something we should know about. but this was an active investigation, knowing a small piece just muddies the water. this doesn't actually prove anything and frankly I don't know if this sliver was something the general needed/had a right to know about.
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Didn't need the details of how Russian was trying to influence our election but for some on here couldn't take the governments assessment that they did try to influence the election and spew How? Prove it? That answers those questions. This Proves that Russia tried to influence the election but it don't even touch on the entire scope. Now it is up to the investigators to determine the entirety of the scope and it would be nice if they could do it without leaks of classified information.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That is what originally worried me. Not that they were changing votes, although I guess they could. But more that they were able to misreport the totals from small local agencies to state tabulators.
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volinbham said:
It doesn't suggest that.

It looks like an attempt to hack the computers of election officials. Even such a hack wouldn't result in misreporting or any permanent misreporting.
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lawgator1 said:
Why hack them? Get better casserole recipes?

Come on. Get real.
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Original claim==ability

Rescued response == motive.


One does not equal the other, counselor. And one would think you'd realize that, considering your line of work.
 
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